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发表于 2012-6-28 08:30 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


自由和平等,政府和个人的关系这类话题, 建议大家注意今天10:00多federal supreme court对Obamacare法案的判决。虽然有党派分野,但其陈述一定是一篇要载入历史的文献。所以不要只看判决,要看各个法官的陈述。顺便讲一句, 那英文也是写得很有水平的啊。

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发表于 2012-6-28 09:02 AM | 显示全部楼层
我不太看好。

估计不会全盘否定,但对其中争议最大的“个人强制医保”条例,会有negative的feedback。

这个从最高法院在前几天的蒙大拿的案例判决中,已经有征兆了。现在的这些最高法官里,右倾是时髦了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:10 AM | 显示全部楼层
Kevin Russell:
Some have asked why Health Care is being decided on the last day. For one thing, it was only argued in late March and it often takes several months to write opinions in complicated cases. In addition, in big cases where there are multiple opinions, it takes a while for the dissents and concurrences to get written. Finally, the Justices often just take as much time as is available to polish their opinions in big cases.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
Kevin Russell:
The Court will start at 10am, but we don't expect to get the Healthcare decision until around 10:15. That is because it is likely that the Court will announce its decision in two other pending cases before it gets to Health Care.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:12 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
When the Justices take the bench, the Marshal -- Pamela Talkin -- will pound the gavel and with an "Oyez, oyez," announce that the Court is in session. The n the Chief Justice will take over. He will say something along the lines of "Justice Thomas (this is all just speculation) has the opinion for the Court in No. [whatever], First American Financial Corp v. Edwards," Then the Justice with the first opinion will read a summary of the decision; if a Justice dissents and decides to read a summary, he/she may do so. Then the Chief Justice will announce who has the second opinion, etc. , in the same way.
好玩。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:13 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
To answer another question, I have no idea what "Oyez" means. It's just what they say. Readers?
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:13 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
You all are the greatest. Apparently Oyez means "listen" or "hear" or "pay attention." Thanks!
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:16 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
The individual mandate survives as a tax
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:16 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
live blog is very interesting.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:19 AM | 显示全部楼层
Amy Howe:
The money quote from the section on the mandate: Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:23 AM | 显示全部楼层
Tom:
866,000 liveblog readers.
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发表于 2012-6-28 09:26 AM | 显示全部楼层
Here's the decision:

The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law, including the individual mandate that requires all to have health insurance.

Watch live coverage and analysis of the pivotal decision, its impact on you and on the presidential race now on CNN TV, CNN’s mobile apps and http://cnn.com/live
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发表于 2012-6-28 09:27 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jamesmith 于 2012-6-28 09:29 编辑

Here goes freedom of speech:

The Supreme Court throws out law making it a crime to lie about receiving military honors, backing a free speech challenge.

The justices will now turn to the eagerly anticipated ruling on President Obama’s health care law.

Watch live coverage and analysis of the decision, its impact on you and on the presidential race now on CNN TV, CNN’s mobile apps and http://cnn.com/live
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:27 AM | 显示全部楼层
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:28 AM | 显示全部楼层
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg would uphold Medicaid just as Congress wrote it. That, too, is not controlling.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
Lyle:
In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."
尖锐的对立啊!!!
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
again, a 5-4 case
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-28 09:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
很有意思。
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发表于 2012-6-28 11:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
O8 的巨大胜利。

看来他的再次当选是大概率事件了。
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