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[技术分析] 对本周的一点补充。

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昨晚下的多单因为今天的跳开又没执行,因为昨天的犹豫放跑了TNA两天的8块涨幅心里有点失衡,今早匆忙之中做空,没想到TNA越走越高,比指数更狂。盯了一天幸好小利出场,不敢持空头仓位过夜。因为SPX小时图上的gap没有完全filled,希望明早继续下跌,准备继续多仓跟进。
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The symmetrical triangle, which can also be referred to as a coil, usually forms during a trend as a continuation pattern. The pattern contains at least two lower highs and two higher lows. When these points are connected, the lines converge as they are extended and the symmetrical triangle takes shape. You could also think of it as a contracting wedge, wide at the beginning and narrowing over time.

While there are instances when symmetrical triangles mark important trend reversals, they more often mark a continuation of the current trend. Regardless of the nature of the pattern, continuation or reversal, the direction of the next major move can only be determined after a valid breakout. We will examine each part of the symmetrical triangle individually, and then provide an example with Conseco.

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      Trend:[color=Blue] In order to qualify as a continuation pattern, an established trend should exist. The trend should be at least a few months old and the symmetrical triangle marks a consolidation period before continuing after the breakout.
   2.
      Four (4) Points: At least 2 points are required to form a trend line and 2 trend lines are required to form a symmetrical triangle. Therefore, a minimum of 4 points are required to begin considering a formation as a symmetrical triangle. The second high (2) should be lower than the first (1) and the upper line should slope down. The second low (2) should be higher than the first (1) and the lower line should slope up. Ideally, the pattern will form with 6 points (3 on each side) before a breakout occurs.
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      Volume: As the symmetrical triangle extends and the trading range contracts, volume should start to diminish. This refers to the quiet before the storm, or the tightening consolidation before the breakout.
   4.
      Duration: The symmetrical triangle can extend for a few weeks or many months. If the pattern is less than 3 weeks, it is usually considered a pennant. Typically, the time duration is about 3 months.
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      Breakout Time Frame: The ideal breakout point occurs 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through the pattern's development or time-span. The time-span of the pattern can be measured from the apex (convergence of upper and lower lines) back to the beginning of the lower trend line (base). A break before the 1/2 way point might be premature and a break too close to the apex may be insignificant. After all, as the apex approaches, a breakout must occur sometime.
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      Breakout Direction: The future direction of the breakout can only be determined after the break has occurred. Sound obvious enough, but attempting to guess the direction of the breakout can be dangerous. Even though a continuation pattern is supposed to breakout in the direction of the long-term trend, this is not always the case.
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      Breakout Confirmation: For a break to be considered valid, it should be on a closing basis. Some traders apply a price (3% break) or time (sustained for 3 days) filter to confirm validity. The breakout should occur with an expansion in volume, especially on upside breakouts.
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      Return to Apex: After the breakout (up or down), the apex can turn into future support or resistance. The price sometimes returns to the apex or a support/resistance level around the breakout before resuming in the direction of the breakout.
   9.
      Price Target: There are two methods to estimate the extent of the move after the breakout. First, the widest distance of the symmetrical triangle can be measured and applied to the breakout point. Second, a trend line can be drawn parallel to the pattern's trend line that slopes (up or down) in the direction of the break. The extension of this line will mark a potential breakout target.

Edwards and Magee suggest that roughly 75% of symmetrical triangles are continuation patterns and the rest mark reversals. The reversal patterns can be especially difficult to analyze and often have false breakouts. Even so, we should not anticipate the direction of the breakout, but rather wait for it to happen. Further analysis should be applied to the breakout by looking for gaps, accelerated price movements, and volume for confirmation. Confirmation is especially important for upside breakouts.

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"但记得捣乱多次提到扩张三角形最终是要选择单边突破,无论是向上还是向下都是破坏力巨大"

对,捣乱提过很多次。
但成功零次。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-9-27 10:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
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谢谢回复。找到原来的网页。
http://stockcharts.com/school/do ... ymmetrical_triangle
大概你所说的对称三角形指的是从八月初到上周三形成的收缩对称三角形,上周四向下破位,随后反弹,今天刚好收在三角形下沿。据此,反弹过后应该继续向下。

单单根据此图,应该说是继续向下的可能更大。但仅仅依靠图形判断方向不如用图形加间接指标的综合判断来的可靠。另外,俺周末的周线图显示依据另外一种画法可以认为熊旗的通道并没有因为上周四的下跌破位。所以暂时俺偏向看多的结论。

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已经不是熊旗了,俺以为。但是如果继续在4浪当中,技术上必须完成5浪的话,不言而喻,方向在书本上。可是在此之前,下这个结论是危险的。  发表于 2011-9-28 06:36 AM
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-9-27 11:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Read0nly 于 2011-9-28 00:02 编辑

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关于此题材俺存的捣乱的图不多,没时间查完,查到两例。一例是去年调整之前,捣乱预测上破,实际上围绕下沿波动之后下破。另一例子是06年底的QQQ,结果还是正确的。见下图。

QQQ_2007.png
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发表于 2011-9-27 11:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
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这个图我认为毫无交易的参考价值。
OK,突破后8月份那个长下影怎么办?
这次死抗成功,下次还死抗?

基本上每个扩张3角都可以用另外一种图形来更好地看。
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the data is wrong.
Aug actually low was 44.4 around.

It broke out at about 45.6, went as high as 50.6 (that's a MM move anyway); then it dropped back to below 45.6 breakout point before final uptrend. that's why it has no value at all.
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-9-27 11:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
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八月份波动最大的那两周不在三角形区域内。俺是抱着不得不防的态度来画这个图的。如果事后证明是多虑,也不失为一种收获。股市的路没有一定之规,不是老有人提醒小心使得万年船嘛,小心一点不是坏事。大概版主对捣乱的观点不屑一顾,反感俺在HT提捣乱。下回不提就是了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-9-27 11:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
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DL画的扩张三角形是从10月中开始的,跟8月没关系。另外数据是否有误俺没时间核实了,权当一种可能性来尝试验证一下。
另外,开这个帖子并不只是扩张三角形的原因,俺看的VIX及其他指标显示这波升势很可能不光是本周的事,所以提醒大家小心一下。俺一直在使用很中性的词汇,老大别对俺的用词造句过分敏感。
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Big difference:

2006 still in uptrend: 75% continuation for symmetrical triangle;

2011: At least neural for qqq, down trend for spy, 75% continuation...
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发表于 2011-9-28 09:59 AM | 显示全部楼层
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oh, no personal.
I just think the expanded triangle is not tradeable for most people.

When was last time Daoluan actually traded this?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-9-28 10:22 AM | 显示全部楼层
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老大有可能是对的,俺只当是一次难得的验证时机,因为据俺的观察,收缩三角形更为常见,可操作性会更高一些。但俺是不会只凭一个三角形来判断走高走低的。
对DL是如何按此操作的没有太多记录。来HT上贴之后,逛大千的时间就少了。上周DL看跌Naz到2100,俺的观点相反。老大的评论不少,开帖不多,有空的话不妨多谈谈自己的想法,让俺们学习一下。
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