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发表于 2011-8-5 08:21 PM | 显示全部楼层


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发表于 2011-8-5 08:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
colderdown 发表于 2011-8-5 20:17
期待着美债美股齐跌的日子。

俺以为会是美债美股美元齐跌,后美元暴涨
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
美债美股美元齐跌,后美元涨?金银暴涨?
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
WASHINGTON—A cornerstone of the global financial system was shaken Friday when officials at ratings firm Standard & Poor's said U.S. Treasury debt no longer deserved to be considered among the safest investments in the world.

S&P removed for the first time the triple-A rating the U.S. has held for 70 years, saying the budget deal recently brokered in Washington didn't do enough to address the gloomy long-term picture for America's finances. It downgraded U.S. debt to AA+, a score that ranks below Liechtenstein and on par with Belgium and New Zealand.

The unprecedented move came after several hours of high-stakes drama. It began in the morning, when word leaked that a downgrade was imminent and stocks tumbled sharply. Around 1:30 p.m., S&P officials notified the Treasury Department they planned to downgrade U.S. debt, and presented the government with their findings. But Treasury officials noticed a $2 trillion error in S&P's math that delayed an announcement for several hours. S&P officials decided to move ahead anyway, and after 8 p.m. they made their downgrade official.

S&P said "the downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics." It also blamed the weakened "effectiveness, stability, and predictability" of U.S. policy making and political institutions at a time when challenges are mounting.

The downgrade will force traders and investors to reconsider in real time what has been an elemental assumption of modern finance. Since July 14, when Standard & Poor's warned it could downgrade the U.S., analysts have struggled to determine how such a move could affect the financial landscape, given how Treasurys permeate the machinery of Wall Street and the economy.

It is possible the blow in the short run might be more psychological than practical. Rival ratings firms Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings have retained their top-notch ratings for U.S. debt in recent days. And so far, U.S. Treasury bonds have remained a safe haven for investors worried about the health of the U.S. economy and the state of Europe's debt crisis. The pre-announcement spat could further undermine the impact.

But the move by S&P could serve as a psychological haymaker for an American economic recovery that can't find much traction, and could do more damage to investors' increasing lack of faith in a political system that is struggling to reach consensus on even everyday policy items. It could lead to the prompt downgrades of numerous companies and states, driving up their costs for borrowing. Policy makers are also anxious about the hidden icebergs the move could suddenly reveal.

A key concern will be whether the appetite for U.S. debt might change among foreign investors, in particular China, the world's largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasurys. In 1945, foreigners owned just 1% of U.S. Treasurys; today they own a record high 46%, according to research from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Some investors believe Treasurys will remain a safe haven in a volatile world, even without a solid triple-A credit rating. Others believe the U.S. will be forced to pay higher interest rates, perhaps about 0.5 percentage points, simply because they are seen as being slightly more risky than before. While only a slight gain, such a jump would increase the cost of a wide array of debt, from a home mortgage to the trillions carried by the U.S. government itself.

Lessons from other countries, such as Canada and Australia, suggest it can take years for a country to win back its AAA rating. At the same time, the economic impact of past downgrades has tended to be larger when multiple firms move to rate a country's debt as more risky as opposed to a single firm acting unilaterally.

The downgrade from S&P has been brewing for months. S&P's sovereign debt team, lead by company veteran David T. Beers, had grown increasingly skeptical that Washington policy makers would make significant progress in reducing the deficit, given the tortured talks over raising the debt ceiling. In recent warnings, the company said Washington should strive to reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years, suggesting anything less would be insufficient.

Negotiations to reach that threshold collapsed, and political leaders instead agreed to a last-second deal to cut the deficit by between $2.1 trillion and $2.4 trillion, making a downgrade almost unavoidable. When the $4 trillion deal fell apart, some Obama administration officials immediately warned that a downgrade from S&P was a real possibility.

S&P officials conferred with a team from the Treasury Department earlier in the week to talk about the debt plan, and government officials tried to explain its scope. S&P officials ended their briefing with an air of mystery about what they might do, and Treasury officials were braced for an announcement later in the week, people familiar with the matter said.

The full faith and credit of the U.S. was established by Alexander Hamilton's 1790 push to have the fledgling federal government assume and pay back debts states incurred during the Revolutionary War. It has gone largely unquestioned since, with just the occasional hiccup, including a 1979 debt-ceiling argument that delayed a few payments.

Recent demographic and economic changes, in particular the aging population and ballooning health-care costs, have made the long-term U.S. picture an ugly one, a problem exacerbated by a deep recession, which cut tax receipts and prompted a flood of fresh debt-financed spending.

Forging an agreement to tackle these problems has been elusive, with bitter partisan disagreements about tax policy and entitlement programs such as Medicare taking center stage.

The world's desire to invest in U.S. debt has a direct effect on businesses and consumers around the world. Many different types of debt, from the interest rate on a mortgage to the cost of a student loan, are pegged to the price the U.S. government pays to borrow money.

So far, economic turmoil in Europe and other parts of the world has continued to drive investors toward Treasurys, sparing the U.S. from a price usually paid by countries that can't get a handle on their debt problems. The phenomenon has kept interest rates paid on government debt very low, making it relatively inexpensive for the Treasury to finance its large deficits.

As a result of the downgrade, a few money-market funds might have to liquidate some of their Treasury holdings if they have tight rules about owning AAA-rated assets, but most aren't expected to be affected. Banks and insurers are unlikely have to hold significantly more capital against their Treasury holdings, though they could see their own bond ratings suffer.

J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. analysts estimate some $4 trillion worth of Treasurys are pledged as collateral by borrowers such as banks and derivatives traders. If that collateral isn't considered as high quality by lenders, the borrowers could be required to cough up more cash or securities to put the minds of lenders at ease.

That could force investors to sell off other assets to come up with the money. In a worst case scenario, credit markets could seize up, as they did during the Lehman Crisis.

Money-market funds held by millions of Americans hold some $1.3 trillion securities directly or indirectly exposed to Treasury and government agency securities, as well as short-term loans to financial institutions, known as repos, which are backed by Treasurys. Experts say that the downgrade won't force money-market funds to sell. But there are still risks.

If Treasurys tumble in value, funds will be forced to mark down their holdings, raising the potential for some to "break the buck" as the Reserve Primary fund did during the worst of the financial crisis.
—Matt Phillips
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
唉,这世道,无处可逃。
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
colderdown 发表于 2011-8-6 02:17
期待着美债美股齐跌的日子。

老大,周一会gap down吗?
gap down能有30点吗?
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
balto 发表于 2011-8-5 21:13
又一个不确定性地雷爆了,利空出尽是利好,我赌周一死皮大涨30+。。。当然,这是死猫跳。。。


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发表于 2011-8-5 08:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
这样可以解释为什么本周机构清仓坚决的原因了。那帮 sun-zi 应该事先知道有这个结果。

金子恐怕要去2000了
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
colderdown 发表于 2011-8-5 20:21
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bond一时半会还掉不下来吧?AA+总比欧猪的三级片强么。。。
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发表于 2011-8-5 08:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
if catastrophe starts, where to put the money? nowhere is safe.
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
shoujie 发表于 2011-8-5 21:31
这样可以解释为什么本周机构清仓坚决的原因了。那帮 sun-zi 应该事先知道有这个结果。

金子恐怕要去2000 ...

对啊,现在才恍然大悟,那帮孙子早就知道要降级了,所以玩了命的跑啊。靠。
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
shit, no TA or FA can be applied now...
FED and treasury holds meeting last friday, they must have a plan.
too bad for us small investors.
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
where could those money go if people sell US bond. No other investment to park this kind of huge money, right?
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
weigoodone01 发表于 2011-8-5 22:39
where could those money go if people sell US bond. No other investment to park this kind of huge mon ...

China still has AAA so A shares?
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
colderdown 发表于 2011-8-5 21:17
期待着美债美股齐跌的日子。

fund是不是要被迫卖啊?这个AAA怎么规定的,只要有一个agent降级就不能持有了还是说一定要所有agent降级啊?
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
chickencoop 发表于 2011-8-5 22:40
China still has AAA so A shares?


China是AA,不是AAA,老大。
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发表于 2011-8-5 09:56 PM | 显示全部楼层

新浪财经 -- 标普将美国主权信用评级降至AA+

本帖最后由 shoujie 于 2011-8-5 21:57 编辑

  新浪财经讯 美国东部时间8月5日晚间(北京时间8月6日早间)消息,国际评级机构标普将美国长期主权信用评级由“AAA”降至“AA+”,评级展望负面。这是美国历史上首次失去AAA信用评级。

  标普指出,调降评级主要由于美国政府与国会达成的债务上限协议,缺少标普所预期的举措以维持中期债务稳定。同时,标普维持美国短期主权信用评级“A-1+”不变,评级展望负面。

  实际上,美股市场周五午盘时便已传出标普将调降美国评级的消息,导致美股大幅下跌,道指一度下跌245点,纳指重挫3.5%。标普当时拒绝对传言做出评论,亦不针对美国信用评级发表任何新的言论。

  据美国CNBC电视台报道,标普于下午1点半已通知美国政府就降级做好准备。随后据美国CNN电视台报道,由于美国政府认为标普在计算政府财政中存在问题,标普可能因为政府的反对而重新考虑对美国的评级。直至周五晚上近8时,标普才正式对外公布调降美国评级。
新浪财经 -- 标普将美国主权信用评级降至AA+

  而在美国债务违约警报解除后,另外两大评级机构穆迪与惠誉均维持美国AAA信用主权评级,惟评级展望均为负面。其中穆迪指出,在四种情况下可能调降美国信用评级,分别是未来一年美国财政政策自律性变差、2013年未采取进一步财政改革措施、经济增长前景严重恶化以及美国政府借贷成本较目前水平显著上升。(颜茜 发自美国纽约)
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