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发表于 2010-9-23 11:36 AM | 显示全部楼层


Another round of EU worries?

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Irish, Portuguese bond selloff fans EU debt fears
Bond selloff means record-high debt financing costs for Ireland, Portugal; German T-bills soar

DUBLIN (AP) -- Investors sold off Irish and Portuguese bonds Thursday, driving the borrowing costs of both countries to euro-era records and reinforcing worries about the heavy debts some European governments are carrying.

Analysts say Ireland, in particular, faces a high-pressure few weeks ahead as its government must convince international investors that it won't have to tap an emergency EU-IMF fund -- and won't keep sinking billions more into its most debt-crippled bank.

Worries over Ireland's ability to fund its own debts and those of five state-insured banks have driven the interest rates on Irish bonds to a series of record highs dating back to the 1999 launch of the euro. Rates on bonds rise when they're being dumped by investors, because offering higher payouts is the only way to attract new buyers of the depreciating bonds.

Two years ago, before Ireland's long-booming economy went into freefall amid a burst property bubble, its bond interest rates were nearly identical to those of Germany, the benchmark of safety in the 16-nation euro zone.

But those days of viewing the Irish as financially secure as the Germans are long gone. Investors today demand increasingly higher Irish rates as compensation for their belief that the Irish are among the most likely in Europe to fail to pay them back. Greece is top of that list, the Portuguese in third place.

The gap between the payouts for German and Irish 10-year bonds surpassed 4.25 percent Thursday for the first time, the latest in a series of such records. The Irish treasuries were offering yields of 6.54 percent late Thursday, up 0.2 points on the day, compared to just 2.285 percent for the German notes.

Conversely, the payout on Germany's flagship bonds fell sharply Thursday after the German government surprised investors by announcing much better-than-expected tax collections and plans to slash its borrowing plans by nearly euro30 billion in the final quarter of 2010. That made German bonds an even more attractive safe haven.

Ireland insists there's no chance it will seek international aid, noting that its bond sales have secured government funding through mid-2011, so there's no need.

But Finance Minister Brian Lenihan is hedging his bets on whether he will allow partial defaults on loans owed by nationalized Anglo Irish Bank.

The government has received European Union approval to extend blanket state insurance to Irish-owned banks through the end of the year. But Lenihan has yet to confirm whether the government will actually do this for Anglo Irish, Europe's biggest financial sinkhole.

Anglo gambled heavily on galloping property markets in Ireland, Britain and the United States -- and now faces loan writeoffs estimated to exceed euro35 billion, a fifth of Ireland's shrinking GDP. Most of the money it loaned came from foreign bond holders, who are guaranteed a full repayment under terms of Ireland's about-to-expire state insurance.

Irish media are speculating that Lenihan will opt not to keep offering a guaranteed repayment to Anglo's lowest tier of "subordinated" bondholders, who if fully insured against losses would represent a euro1.7 billion bill for Irish taxpayers.

Until the outside world is convinced that Ireland has got its deficit and bank-bailout costs capped and turned around, analysts say the Irish will keep paying over the odds.

Ironically, if the Irish gave up and turned to help from the EU-IMF emergency fund established earlier this year to bail out the Greeks, they would be able to borrow at a rate of 5 percent. Instead, earlier this week Ireland drummed up euro1 billion in an auction of 8-year bonds that, to be sold, required a rate of more than 6 percent.

Portugal faces similarly tough choices. It's just beginning the process of slashing its spending to get a deficit under control, and its latest bond issues this week also commanded punitive premiums: A euro750 million auction of new 4-year and 10-year bonds paid out yields of 4.69 percent and 6.24 percent, respectively.

On Thursday Portugal's 10-year bonds were offering yields 4.08 percentage points above their German counterparts, another euro-era record.

In Berlin, the European Union's financial and monetary affairs commissioner, Olli Rehn, told a conference he didn't envisage that any debt-crippled member of the 16-nation euro zone would default on loans.

"The potential costs, both economic and political costs, of this for the euro zone and the European Union would be so devastating that we will do everything to avoid it. And I'm certain we will be able to avoid it," said Rehn, who didn't comment on whether the Irish should, or would, seek an EU-IMF loan. He previously has discounted such a move as unnecessary given Ireland's commitment to emergency budgets and deficit-cutting through 2014.

Ireland also confirmed Thursday it remains mired in recession, further depressing sentiment for its loan-repayment prospects. Its second-quarter GDP figure slid 1.2 percent versus the previous quarter, surprising economists who had expected a 0.5 percent increase.

Greece, which is rebuilding its finances with euro110 billion in help from the EU-IMF fund, says international bond speculators are unfairly punishing the weakest euro-zone members. Greek debt is rated the world's riskiest; its 10-year bonds are paying a giant 9-percentage point interest premium above German treasuries.

Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said his country's bonds ought to be requiring lower interest rates than before the EU-IMF bailout, but instead were higher.

"It's clear that risk was underpriced then, but it's massively overpriced now," he said.
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
dt, 拔根毛,实在看不下去了
xiaochong 发表于 2010-9-23 13:27



    鼓励小虫子去拔根毛 ,大不了舍把米嘛
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
对熊熊而言,这个是凶是吉?反正,老头儿说话不久,市场动静都小不了。。。

Warren Buffett: 'We're still in a recession'

NEW YORK, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Billionaire investor Warren Buffett said the U.S. economy remains in recession, disputing this week's assessment by a leading arbiter of economic activity that the downturn ended more than a year ago.

"We're still in a recession," Buffett told CNBC television in an interview broadcast on Thursday. "We're not gonna be out of it for a while, but we will get out."

On Monday, the National Bureau of Economic Research said the world's largest economy ended an 18-month recession in June 2009, but cautioned that its assessment did not mean normal activity had resumed.

Buffett said he defines a recession differently from the NBER, saying it ends when real per capita gross domestic product returns to its pre-downturn level.

President Barack Obama said on Monday that economic weakness is "still very real" for the millions of Americans who are out of work, have seen the value of their homes fall, or are mired in debt.

Buffett, 80, runs Berkshire Hathaway Inc (BRKa.N) (BRKb.N), which has roughly 80 operating businesses. "A great majority" of these businesses are "coming back slowly," he said.

Shipments at Burlington Northern are "61 percent of the way back," Buffett said. "Our carpet business, our brick business, our insulation business, they're not back 61 percent, but they are moving back."
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:42 AM | 显示全部楼层
TLT fast drop. Lower LOD.
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
刚刚下班,正好看到星兄扯美日,俺的问题是,美日现在TA有用吗?
永恒罗马 发表于 2010-9-23 13:13



我不同意市场大多数人对于BOJ干预效果的看法,

我觉得,可能不太差...

对于你的问题,过去3个月,USDJPY是单边市场,所以TA近乎无效,

而上周BOJ干预的作用之一就是让日元恢复"双向"波动,那样TA的魔力就会逐渐回到市场中来...

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发表于 2010-9-23 11:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
TLT fast drop. Lower LOD.
90ufo 发表于 2010-9-23 13:42


yes, equity has no move
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
IPOs are missing their fund-raising targets by the widest gap in a decade. NYSE and Nasdaq initial o ...
google 发表于 2010-9-23 13:23



    WOW
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:46 AM | 显示全部楼层
yes, equity has no move
Poo 发表于 2010-9-23 13:44


晕, SPX fall too ?!?!
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:46 AM | 显示全部楼层
主席,假如涨到$200怎么办?还是不割?
google 发表于 2010-9-23 13:29

不割肉!都说了,BIDU已不在我的WAHTCH LIST 里了,我忘了,大不了买20个CALL,
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
嗯,小宝宝姐姐跟你透露个天大的秘密:比硫酸、盐酸;硝酸酸性强几百万倍,甚至几十亿倍的超强酸 ...
stocklover 发表于 2010-9-23 12:50



    能不能免费赠送啊,这么好的东东,我怕买不起啊
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:47 AM | 显示全部楼层
GS is dropping like a falling stone. What happened?
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
和FAZ同涨的股都是好股,BIDU涨,是个好股,我承认,但哦不买这种5年后的垃圾股
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
看,GS跌的多认真
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
Obama, Wen hail U.S.-China cooperation

President Barack Obama and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao hailed cooperation between the U.S. and China at the start of their one-on-one meeting on Thursday in New York. The U.S. says China keeps the value of its currency artificially low, but the leaders told reporters that the two countries work together in areas including the economy. Wen said he arrived in New York in a "spirit of cooperation" and Obama hailed the strategic dialogue between Washington and Beijing.
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
每一次上涨都无量,每一次下跌多有力,这就是短命熊的由来
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:55 AM | 显示全部楼层
实际上是。。。

真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真猪啊真 ...
xiaochong 发表于 2010-9-23 12:25



    吓我一条,还以为是拉登的弟子泥。
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:55 AM | 显示全部楼层
Euro-zone PMI signals sharply slower growth
Composite PMI tumbles more sharply than expected to 7-month low

LONDON (MarketWatch) — Growth in private-sector activity across the 16-nation euro zone slowed sharply in September, a closely-watched survey of purchasing managers showed Thursday, underlining worries about the momentum behind the region’s economic recovery.
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
和FAZ同涨的股都是好股,BIDU涨,是个好股,我承认,但哦不买这种5年后的垃圾股
lehldk 发表于 2010-9-23 13:50



    why u think BIdu is 5年后的垃圾股 ?

thx!
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
鼓励小虫子去拔根毛 ,大不了舍把米嘛
stocklover 发表于 2010-9-23 13:38



    nnd,不说句好话,为啥要舍米哈
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发表于 2010-9-23 11:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
不是,我不怀疑。可这年头,性别重要吗?
Cobra 发表于 2010-9-23 12:28



   
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