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发表于 2013-11-22 08:56 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


IBM 上周LUNCHED Watson Ecosystem Put the power of Watson behind your apps Imagine if you could build the next-generation personalized shopping assistants to help consumers find exactly what they are looking for. Imagine if you could help doctors navigate the vast body of medical documents to find the better cure for patients. Imagine if you could help passengers better plan their trips by suggesting ideal routes and places to stay. Imagine no more. Today we’re proud to announce the launch of the Watson Ecosystem: a cloud-based platform that puts the power of the Watson technology into the hands of you, our business partners. You can harness Watson's abilities to analyze and respond to natural language, and then adapt and learn with new interactions and outcomes. By opening Watson as a platform for development by others, IBM is looking to unleash a wave of innovation that will benefit the way that we as a society live, work and operate. IBM will offer a Software Development Kit (SDK) to ISVs for self-service training, development and testing of their embedded application. The application's content can come from you or a third-party content provider. The Watson Ecosystem offers the following opportunities: Build applications on top of the Watson Developer Cloud: The ecosystem's cloud-based infrastructure provides the performance, control and flexibility necessary to run, manage and optimize SaaS applications. Leverage the Watson Content Store: Identify and supply content that will build context and support applications. Build and find skills through the Watson Talent Hub: Get access to technical, business or design talent, underwritten by an IBM certification program. Initially, the Watson Ecosystem will focus on three key industries—retail, travel and healthcare—but it will expand over time. We expect the first Watson-powered solutions to go live in the first half of 2014. The program will be available globally, but the technology currently supports only the English language. Hear what Sandy Carter, General Manager, IBM Ecosystem Development, says about this new platform:

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-22 09:37 AM | 显示全部楼层
这是IBM新的拳头产品。

上一季的拳头产品是WebSphere,带动股票从100 到 200.
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-22 09:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
技术上,突破在即

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发表于 2013-11-22 10:04 AM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-11-22 02:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
谢谢! 174时买了一些, 太胆小, 一看涨了就不敢加了
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发表于 2013-11-22 02:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
康师傅有没有上市?中长期可以买康师傅
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发表于 2013-11-22 11:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
IBM made a lot of contributions over past decades. Good company.
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发表于 2013-11-23 10:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-11-23 10:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
ctcld 发表于 2013-11-22 10:37 AM
这是IBM新的拳头产品。

上一季的拳头产品是WebSphere,带动股票从100 到 200.

好像就是cloud computingv的应用,跟CRM这类的云计算公司有什么区别?
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-24 12:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
google 发表于 2013-11-23 09:51 PM
好像就是cloud computingv的应用,跟CRM这类的云计算公司有什么区别?

CRM = Customer Relationship Management

Cloud computing =  solutions by sharing computing resources <-- virtual hardware + virtual software + virtual services
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发表于 2013-11-24 11:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
感觉这是google正在作且在完善的东西。TA上,是不是等下降通道突破确认后再介入更保险些。
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发表于 2013-11-24 11:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
IBM和GOOG比较,
更看好GOOG

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-24 12:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
Why Buffett Is Cheering Druckenmiller's IBM Short  (ZT)

Recently Stan Druckenmiller discussed his IBM short in an interview with Stephanie Ruhle while at the Robin Hood Investors Conference on Thursday. He described how IBM (IBM) is one of the highest probability shorts he has seen in a long time, that Amazon AWS is "killing" IBM and you should buy IBM if you want to be short innovation. Of course, the 2,000lb gorilla in the room is who is on the opposite side of the investment, Warren Buffet and many other successful investors.

The media has taken Druckenmiller's call as a battle between two investors with very successful track records, but I see it differently. Buffett is cheering for IBM's share price to languish the next five years, so Druckenmiller's short call is a nice addition to the market's bearish view on IBM.

Remember from Berkshire's 2011 annual letter, Warren Buffett described the simple math of IBM repurchasing $50 billion over the next 5 years and the results in two scenarios. The first scenario used $200 as the average share price during the period, which would mean IBM would acquire 250 million shares. The second scenario used $300 as the average share price leaving IBM only purchasing 167 million shares. IBM originally had 1.16 billion shares outstanding which would leave 910 million outstanding in scenario 1 and 990 million shares outstanding in scenario two.

Buffett then said that in year five IBM could be earning $20 billion and scenario one would net Berkshire a $100 million greater share of those earnings than the "high-price" scenario.

Many will argue that small investors cannot think like Warren Buffett because he has a bigger share of the company and I have to disagree. It is all the same. We just own a smaller percentage of a company's earnings.

Let's say we own 1,000 shares of IBM instead of 63.9 million shares. Our position in IBM would be, get ready for it, 0.00000086% of the company. Say we bought shares today ($180,000 position) and use the similar scenario Buffett described above. In the first scenario, by year 5 we would own 0.0000011% of IBM. In the "high-price" scenario two, we would own 0.0000010% of IBM. That small 10 millionth of a percent would equal a difference of $2,000 ($22k in s. 1, $20k in s. 2) of earnings that should be going to you, if IBM earned $20 billion in year 5.

The 1.1% difference of our share of earnings to our original investment of $180,000 is the same proportion to Buffett's original investment, no matter how small a portion of IBM is owned.

The valid argument is that if IBM cannot sustain their competitive positioning, then cash flow will not sustain nor grow and shareholder's future owner earnings will deplete. My view is that IBM has a large moat with plenty of piranha, alligators and ferocious animals to continue to keep the owner earnings steady for many years to come. IBM continues to have sticky customer relationships all around the world, has the largest patent portfolio in the world and their business performance (not just revenues) over a long period has shown how great this company is.

The mistake that many large companies do with too much cash coming in is to make poor capital allocation decisions such as making ridiculously large business purchases, in turn destroying shareholder value. IBM has acquired 47 companies since 2009 but has not been seduced into making big headline purchases. IBM has spent on average only 17.3% of operating income on M&A purchases since 2009. Why? IBM management understands that 70-90% of mergers and acquisitions fail because of high prices and integration failures. What IBM has chosen to focus on is to send an average of 60.6% of operating income since 2009 back to shareholders via share repurchases. Don't forget the average 18% of operating income given back to shareholders as a dividend. I don't think shareholders should worry too much about IBM destroying value.

Valuation

IBM, though not a high-flying innovator in the popular sense, is a company with predictable long-term cash flows making the company an equity with bond like qualities. Simply put, I don't think it is highly probable that IBM will be earning an EBIT of $15 billion in year 5 but if it did the earnings yield (EBIT/Mkt Cap) would be 7.6% at today's prices. That type of yield is still attractive when compared to the historical normalized 4-5% treasury yields and the 7-8% annual returns from the market. What I think is a more likely scenario is that IBM will be earning roughly $20 billion in operating EBIT once the world economy continues to gather steam and IBM further moves from hardware to software. In that case, IBM would yield an attractive 10.1% at today's price. Now if IBM continues to buy shares at low valuations, then our long-term returns should be enhanced.

Conclusion

Warren Buffett wants IBM's share price to languish and must be cheering Stan Druckenmiller's negativity on IBM. At current prices shareholders in IBM can directly and indirectly purchase shares at attractive valuations for the long-term. As a long-term shareholder of IBM, I wouldn't mind a few more short-sellers coming out of the wood shed trying to punish IBM's share price.

Additional disclosure: This article is meant for instructional purposes and not meant as a recommendation to buy or sell. The only kind of intelligent investing is through your own due diligence.

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-24 12:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-24 12:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
IBM Offering Green Options (ZT)

There has been a lot of buzz about technology companies investing in various renewable projects in recent years. Yet despite all the commitments to reduce carbon by the likes of Google (NASDAQ: GOOG  ) , Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT  ) and Intel (NASDAQ: INTC  ) , could the biggest move of all actually come down to personal choice? IBM (NYSE: IBM  ) believes it will. In fact, IBM was awarded a patent on October 1 for a "green" button that can help cloud data center operators "greenify" their businesses and give customers a choice of whether or not to tap clean energy to run their offsite servers.

Why talk about a patent awarded last month? I've held a plethora of recent talks with various utility providers who have said their businesses will be more focused around a customer experience in the future. What can be better than giving customers an actual choice when it comes to energy? Could this move by IBM help bring the U.S. closer to domestic renewable energy tariffs, which have been publicly supported by tech companies like Google? I believe the answer is yes, and that could boost additional investment in renewable projects here at home. This green button concept could be game-changing for energy consumption and distribution, and that could bode well for utilities and renewable players like First Solar (NASDAQ: FSLR  ) if it's done right.

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发表于 2013-11-24 02:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
CrisisInvesting 发表于 2013-11-24 11:30 AM
IBM和GOOG比较,
更看好GOOG

It depends on the time frame. Personally, I love IBM more. Moreover, Google has become one of those evil companies IMHO.
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-25 01:53 PM | 显示全部楼层

On November 22, 2013 at 2:23PM Seeking Alpha's Market Currents reported the following

IBM falls as Druckenmiller makes short case

  1. Hedge fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller has called IBM (IBM-1.5%) one of the "more high probability shorts" he's seen in years, and declares Amazon Web Services (AWS) is "killing" the IT giant.
  2. He's also critical of Big Blue's slumping free cash flow, and its efforts to boost flagging growth via M&A.
  3. AWS is expected to pull in less than $4B in revenue this year, but isgrowing at a rapid clip. In addition, analysts have argued every IT dollar eaten up by cloud services results in a greater amount of on-premise IT spend being lost.
  4. IBM recently bought Web hosting/cloud infrastructure provider SoftLayer for a reported $2B in order to better take on Amazon, as well as rivals such as Microsoft, Google, VMware, and Rackspace.
  5. Though off its October lows, IBM remains down 5% YTD in a year during which the Nasdaq is up over 30%. Shares were hit hard last month by a Q3 revenue miss.

I have great respect for both Mr. Druckenmiller and Mr. Buffett and thought it would interesting to analyze each of their viewpoints in a side by side comparison and try to determine who is right on IBM.

In this article I will only concentrate on the second bullet point in the Seeking Alpha Market Current above. The main point of disagreement here concerns free cash flow and despite what most investors believe, free cash flow can be calculated in a variety of ways. If we take the most common way of calculating free cash flow, which we will call for purposes of this exercise "Druckenmiller Free Cash Flow", we get the following results for IBM,

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As you can see, for the year 2013, Mr. Druckenmiller is correct in his statement (second bullet point) as IBM's free cash flow is definitely "slumping" and that its free cash per share number for 2013 should be lower.

As an investor you have to ask yourself, what is Mr. Buffett thinking in making IBM one of Berkshire Hathaway's (BRK.A) (BRK.B) largest holdings? But before I show you, I need to give you a little background on how Mr. Buffett and Mr. Charlie Munger calculate free cash flow or what they call "Owner Earnings."

On February 27, 1987 Warren Buffett released his 1986 Letter to Shareholders as part of the Berkshire Hathaway Annual Report for that year. That letter was probably one of his better-known pieces written as CEO of Berkshire Hathaway because it included a special section at the very end called:

Purchase-Price Accounting Adjustments and the "Cash Flow" Fallacy

Mr. Buffett provided, in essence, a tutorial on how both he and Charlie Munger select the important information in a company's financial statements. In doing so, he basically gave us their formula on how to successfully analyze companies. Here is that paragraph:

If we think through these questions, we can gain some insights about what may be called "owner earnings." These represent (A) reported earnings plus (B) depreciation, depletion, amortization, and certain other non-cash charges such as Company N's items (1) and (4) less (C) the average annual amount of capitalized expenditures for plant and equipment, etc. that the business requires to fully maintain its long-term competitive position and its unit volume. (If the business requires additional working capital to maintain its competitive position and unit volume, the increment also should be included in . However, businesses following the LIFO inventory method usually do not require additional working capital if unit volume does not change.)Our owner-earnings equation does not yield the deceptively precise figures provided by GAAP, since must be a guess - and one sometimes very difficult to make. Despite this problem, we consider the owner earnings figure, not the GAAP figure, to be the relevant item for valuation purposes - both for investors in buying stocks and for managers in buying entire businesses. We agree with Keynes's observation: "I would rather be vaguely right than precisely wrong."

From Mr. Buffett's statement above we now have an additional way of calculating free cash flow or "owner earnings" as Mr. Buffett calls it. This formula when broken down to its core ingredients is very different from the calculations that are commonly used by analysts on Wall Street in calculating free cash flow.

The Druckenmiller Free Cash Flow that we used above is calculated in this way;

Cash Flow From Operations - Capital Spending

Owner Earnings on the other hand is calculated as follows:

Net income + (depreciation + depletion & amortization) + other non-cash charges - maintenance capital expenditure - increase or decrease in working capital

The difficult part in Mr. Buffett's Owner Earnings calculation is that he has to factor in changes in working capital, which are not a one-step process, but require the following items to be factored in:

Increases/Decreases in the following:

  1. Receivables
  2. Inventories
  3. Pre-Paid Expenses
  4. Other Current Assets
  5. Payables
  6. Other Current Liabilities
  7. Other Working Capital

And then factor in other Non-Cash Items like stock based compensation for example.

Using Mr. Buffett's owner earnings formula, the results for IBM are shown in the following table:

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Therefore you can clearly see that Mr. Buffett bought in heavy on IBM as his owner earnings calculations show that IBM is actually growing very quickly.

In conclusion there is a wide gap between the two methodologies of calculating free cash flow as demonstrated above. Wall Street in performing its own due diligence must decide whom they will back, but history has shown us that Mr. Buffett is right most of the time. On the other hand Mr. Druckenmiller is a billionaire in his own right and did not get there by being wrong.

In my own research I have come up with an additional way of analyzing free cash flow and have a "Mycroft Free Cash Flow Per Share" estimate of $16.75 for IBM for the year 2014. I have detailed how I go about calculating that result in a recent IBM article that I published on Seeking Alpha that you can read by going here . I also recently took advantage of the sharp drop in IBM's share price, after the last earnings report, and happily bought IBM for my clients at a price that was very close to what Mr. Buffett paid a few years back and feel that I bought those shares at a great bargain price. If Mr. Druckenmiller is simply using the standard way of calculating free cash flow that is very common on Wall Street, then he could be setting himself up for a lot of disappointment as very few investors have successfully come out ahead going short on a holding that Mr. Buffett owns. In my opinion there are easier ways to make money.

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发表于 2013-11-26 10:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
Cheese 发表于 2013-11-24 02:05 PM
It depends on the time frame. Personally, I love IBM more. Moreover, Google has become one of thos ...

That is true. Goog -->EVIL COMPANY
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CrisisInvesting 发表于 2013-11-26 10:01 PM
That is true. Goog -->EVIL COMPANY

操作归操作,感觉归感觉。
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