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发表于 2010-1-21 02:26 PM
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jg_is_so_sincere wrote:
Misskem....Please be knowledgeable of your profession and your region.Because now since you felt the need to speak on what you think is a gross miscalculation.I had a case load of over 250 clients that I worked with directly , when I started I had over 500. My caseload was cut due to my work of separating the ones that needed help and those that didn't need it. I worked directly with Springfield to do this.My field work was in the South Suburbs,Chicago-North,South and West, Western Suburbs and at risk youth in Elementary,Jr. High, and High school age children,Juvenile detention facilities & alternative learning programs in Chicago land. I was a specialist in the field of assessment psychologically and for case content, I was paid well for it. My work whether volunteer or paid helped clean up a lot of agencies.At the end of the day how I feel about helping out a client in a caseload doesn't matter, things are different for me now, which is why I changed professions and focus. I know my kids or me will never be that way because I raise them to be accountable and responsible and most of all to be productive and respectful of others. I am from the "hood" , I am black , and very in touch with what goes on around me and in the world I live in. For the record I have a very diverse background and healthy respect/tolerence for all individuals no matter what their background.
1/21/2010 12:15 PM CST on suntimes.com
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conservativemind wrote:
brenda
i am sorry for the situation you are in and feel that you should be able to receive financial aasistance in your time of need. That is what the system was set up for and what its supposed to do.
Unfortunately you have so many people abusing and bankrupting the system that people such as yourselves are being ignored.
1/21/2010 12:00 PM CST on suburbanchicagonews.com
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jg_is_so_sincere wrote:
Brenda.....is correct you have to d*&% near be living in s box to get any assistance from LIHEAP....and that is not right. You have to be at the very bottom to get help and I mean the bottom. It's sad because the system is not very functional at this point.
1/21/2010 11:52 AM CST on suntimes.com
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misskem wrote:
jg_is_so_sincere wrote:
"I still care for the ones that genuinely need help, but for the other 90% ......"
90%...That's a gross miscalculation on your part...which made your whole point moot. Assumptions...I also work directly with these people through my government job (NOT PRIVATE SECTOR) and through my volunteer work...and in my job I use to see the case on my desk of abuse everyday, but that is because I worked in a department deidcated to that. I don't see that in my new position...and I also didn't see it much growing up and working with the poor.
It's like...Working in a coffee shop that gets the same customers everyday...complaining, being rude, making messes, etc...then transferring to a new location with nothing but pleasant customers who sip their coffee quietly and read the newspaper. You can't build judgments on only one type of encounter. The way to really see people is to see all people, not just a few.
1/21/2010 11:52 AM CST on suntimes.com
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sean0301 wrote:
Brenda,
Its a shame what has happened to you but this is a time when you might have to put doing what you love on hold, and move to doing something that makes ends meet. You can always revisit your dream at a later date. Sucks but its seems to be the situation you are in.
The system only really helps those who game it. first you and your husband have to get a divorce (he can stay in the house just dont tell anyone). Then he needs to be sure to not get a job or get one for cash. Then go to the welfare office and say you have been abandoned and then you will get help. (if you have a house or car put it in your mothers name to hide the asset). This is how its done. I have known many people that live with thier family but their wives claim to have been abandoned and they get assistance. Meanwhile they earn a comfotable living with free medicaid for thier children.
1/21/2010 11:47 AM CST on suntimes.com
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misskem wrote:
"values of accountability and responsibility "
Are wonderful and we should all have that instilled in us from an early age. But perfecting the values of accountability and responsibility, do not fill your stomache when you are hungry, or put a roof over your head, or clothes on your back.
We all want to hold values and have them down to a science, but not everyone gets opportunities even with the best intentions in mind. So being poor is not a plague, it's a hurdle to jump. And as we know, not everyone is so atheletic... sort of speak.
I grew up poor, accomplished great things, even to the point of being able to give back...but if a hit a block or lose my livelihood. I can't honestly say...I wouldn't do what I need to do to take care of my children, by any many necessary.
It's not a pretty thought, but it's a realistic one.
1/21/2010 11:42 AM CST on suntimes.com
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jg_is_so_sincere wrote:
First of all, with the issue of public assistance, you have a system that gives advance notice on any appointment or inspection that needs to be done. That goes for Section 8 recipients, TANF cash recipients and DCFS cases. Clients are given prior notice of these visits so why the f*&^ wouldn't they tell the felon or illeagal that is housed at there location to "take a walk" for a few hours ? A large percentage of the people that receive public assistance DON'T REALLY NEED IT !That is a fact.Welfare to Work...LOL most of these clients make ther own check stubs to give to the caseworkers as proof of employment!Their not really working. The objective of getting and maintaining public assistance is a game to most people that receive it. They have more kids because they get more money for each child they have.4 kids for example will get you over $700 with no tax taken out of it. Illegals get public assistance with no problem and no documents......everything but cash. I was a caseworker in both the public and private sector, working directly with Public Aid,DCFS,CEDA,the local Housing Authorities.So I know what I am talking about.I used to care about the poor & helping ....I still care for the ones that genuinely need help, but for the other 90% ......nothing good to say about em'- I am jaded due to some of the things I have seen and assesed , the mentality is one of if I want it I can have it ...or it is owed to me....or I been like this all my life.You have have generations of clients that are on Public assistance the Grandma,the Mom, the Daughter,and the Grandkids.You can offer resources to people to help them achieve a life without assistance from anyone , but it is so much easier to not do anything or do just enough to continue to get a check. You have illegals that won't even learn english and instead of the government making it mandatory that they learn in order to get help......what do they do they change all the d*&^ forms and product labeling to fit there spanish preference! What about the Polish,German,Korean,Indian & many other races that come here and have to learn English & live legally,the government makes them learn English, but because the border doesn't have an ocean between it this rule doesn't apply.
There should be mandatory drug testing and there should be "pop-up" visits done as a default and scheduled visits as an rare occurance instead of vice versa. There should be larger fines for employers that employ illegals rather it be temporary or permanent positions and the fine should include mandatory jail time as well.
1/21/2010 11:40 AM CST on suntimes.com
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brenda l wrote:
I just want to say that I happen to be one of those 'Poor' people! I've tried to get help! I was told no because I make $15 over the limit to get utility help! My husband & I were making good money till he lost his job! We had NO warning that he was going to lose his job! Before he lost his job, I changed jobs to do what I love! Because he was making enough to suport us and still be able to enjoy our camping trips & vacations! Now we've gone through all of our savings & our retirement money! We have nothing left & the government won't help us! We have to be more than destitute to recieve help! I'm tired of people saying that 'Poor' people are all drug addicts and lazy!! I want to go back to school to expand on the education for the job I love doing but there are no grants or "Free" money for the classes I want to take! The people, companies, government only give money to those who take classes that will make the students lots of money! Those grants, ect, are not for those of us who want to help animals by becoming dog trainers or groomers or anything else to do with animal husbandry! If anybody has an answer to that, let me know, because I'm at a loss and losing more every day!!
1/21/2010 11:38 AM CST on suburbanchicagonews.com
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suga wrote:
And, suddenly, there's silence. Well said.
1/21/2010 11:34 AM CST on suntimes.com
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conservativemind wrote:
misskem,
we obviously have opposing points of view and debate is a good thing. I myself came fom a poor but loving family and I was blessed by being born in the greatest country in the history of man. My parents instilled the values of accountability and responsibility in me and I am now passing those values on to my kids. Again I am all for helping people that truly need the help. But taxpayers have the right to demand accountabilty to those receiving our money. Also this is again not a racial issue and I agree that more parents need to take care of and be responsible for their childrens activies.
You have your views and I have mine and thats what makes this a great place to live. I just hope that my kids and grandkids will have the same opportunities that I have had.
1/21/2010 11:32 AM CST on suburbanchicagonews.com
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