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[讨论] Yield curve in predicting market tops and bottoms

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发表于 2009-12-29 08:43 AM | 显示全部楼层


18# X!nG

What I read is,  the stock market and the yield curves  imply Fed is going to rise rate in the middle of 2010.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 08:55 AM | 显示全部楼层
??? you mean american debt is exploding and has to be deflated? I have no idea, but the debt graph below tells me America still have room  to borrow.
http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GD ...
Seawave 发表于 2009-12-29 08:36



This old one explains:
http://londonbanker.blogspot.com ... heory-of-great.html

If you are interested in theory, please find pdf attached.

Debt deflation theory.pdf

1.91 MB, 下载次数: 15

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发表于 2009-12-29 08:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 09:06 AM | 显示全部楼层
18# X!nG

What I read is,  the stock market and the yield curves  imply Fed is going to rise rate in the middle of 2010.
Seawave 发表于 2009-12-29 08:43



It so far reflects 'inflationary expectation', which is why I was saying 'reflexivity'...

However, when people realize things are not as good as expected, there is no way out of this, except 'time'...

I really enjoy following:

“Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works.”

--Mr John Mills, Article read before the Manchester Statistical Society, December 11, 1867, on Credit Cycles and the Origin of Commercial Panics as quoted in Financial crises and periods of industrial and commercial depression, Burton, T. E. (1931, first published 1902). New York and London: D. Appleton & Co
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发表于 2009-12-29 10:36 AM | 显示全部楼层
Just a question: if lowering interest rate can bring us out of this recession.... why lowering interest rate does not work in Japan.... is there an interest rate trap in US????
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发表于 2009-12-29 10:54 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 egghead1 于 2009-12-29 10:57 编辑

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Very interesting topic. Let's look at yield curve over a longer period of time. I am using 10yr vs 3m spread since it has longer history than 10yr vs 2yr. But the overall picture stays the same. If we believe inflation will pick up fast in the future like in the late 70's and ealy 80's, maybe now is more like the period from 1970-1972 or from 1975-1977. Stock returns were terrible during those two periods.

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发表于 2009-12-29 11:23 AM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-12-29 11:49 AM | 显示全部楼层
26# egghead1
hi egghead, nice to see you here, where did xiaohan go?
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发表于 2009-12-29 11:50 AM | 显示全部楼层
22# X!nG

thanks, i am going to kill my time with this stuff.
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发表于 2009-12-29 08:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
28# Seawave


don't know. :-)
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发表于 2009-12-30 02:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 ajs 于 2009-12-30 02:17 编辑
It so far reflects 'inflationary expectation', which is why I was saying 'reflexivity'...

However, when people realize things are not as good as expected, there is no way out of this, except  ...
X!nG 发表于 2009-12-29 09:06

请问,能否将03~09的收益曲线变化讲解一下..俺一点都看不懂 谢谢啦...
包括Inverted Yield Curve,利率的加减对这个短期和长期的BOND YIELD的影响是什么?谢谢
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-30 04:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
请问,能否将03~09的收益曲线变化讲解一下..俺一点都看不懂 谢谢啦...
包括Inverted Yield Curve,利率的加减对这个短期和长期的BOND YIELD的影响是什么?谢谢
ajs 发表于 2009-12-30 02:14



The recent sell-off in the 30-year US Treasury bond has created a very steep yield curve that, in normal times, would seemingly help stimulate increased borrowing, lending and economic activity. But, today’s times are anything but normal...

Typically, an inverted yield curve is a harbinger of a recession. When longer term rates are lower than shorter term rates, banks aren’t encouraged to attract depositors or to lend because there isn’t much “spread” between their costs (interest paid on deposits) and their profits (interest received from lending activities). When a yield curve is inverted -- as it was in 1969, 1973, 1979, 1981, 1989, 2000 and 2006-7 -- a significant equity and economic decline results about half of the time.

Conversely, when a yield curve is very steep, as is the case today, banks are encouraged to lend because profit margins are high. Current short-term interest rates on the 13-week T-bill are at 0.17% while the 10-year Treasury note is at 3.86%. This spread suggests that banks should be more inclined to lend today because of the difference between borrowing short and lending long.  The trouble is that most banks don’t have the excess capital to lend now because their balance sheets and capital ratios have been impaired dramatically by the housing and credit crises.  In addition, since frugality is now in style (notice that former “fashionistas” are becoming ”recessionistas”), banks’ customers are less inclined to borrow.

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发表于 2009-12-30 04:29 AM | 显示全部楼层
The recent sell-off in the 30-year US Treasury bond has created a very steep yield curve that, in normal times, would seemingly help stimulate increased borrowing, lending and economic activity. ...
X!nG 发表于 2009-12-30 04:11

非常感谢,受教了...
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-30 06:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
非常感谢,受教了...
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