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发表于 2009-11-20 11:15 AM | 显示全部楼层


Maybe the risky assets are just too expensive for the prices so that lots of money are hunkering down in the T-bills.

But beat me, I just cannot see how dollar can go much higher. One thing that sure is not going to become scarce is the dollar.
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发表于 2009-11-20 11:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
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Bond Market Open November 20 2009November 20th, 2009 7:15 am

Prices of Treasury coupon securities are registering, on balance, modest changes in overseas trading. The massive wall of liquidity sloshing through the market has driven short rates lower while the longer maturities are unchanged.
Against that background, the yield on the 2 year note has edged lower by 2 basis points to 0.68 percent. The yield on the 3 year note has declined 3 basis points to 1.20 percent. The yield on the 5 year note has slipped 1 basis point to 2.14 percent. The yield on the 7 year note has also declined a basis point and rests at 2.85 percent. The 10 year note and the Long Bond are unchanged in yield and are currently at 3.33 percent and 4. 28 percent, respectively.

The 2 year/10 year spread is 265 basis points.

The 10 year/30 year spread is 95 basis points. I have been very wrong on that one and would have dusted it off yesterday. I had originally touted that trade when the spread was 91 basis points.  I would revisit that flattening trade next week as the auction process unfolds.

The 2 year/5 year / 30 year butterfly is 68 basis points.

I want to reiterate the point that I made yesterday regarding the T bill market and that is that the current plunge of bill rates into negative territory is a technical phenomenon. What are my reasons for drawing that conclusion?

When bills plummeted to negative territory in September 2008 they were following a series of dire events and the near  death experience of global capital markets. At that time I wrote that the price action in the money markets was the financial equivalent of the Reign of Terror during the French revolution. Lehman Brothers had failed, Merrill Lynch was in extremis, AIG was receiving massive assistance from the Federal Reserve, FNMA and Freddie Mac had  recently become wards of the state.

The single most important factor in the flight to quality of that period was the failure of Lehman Brothers and the subsequent “break of the buck” at a money fund which led to fear and panic in the populace and a subsequent run on money funds which if left unattended would have toppled the system and led to a 1929 style collapse.
The salient point here is that a series of events occured and propelled investors to seek safe sanctuary in the T bill market. By any standard, the system was in chaos and that led to the flight to safety.

We do not have that situation today. There is a simple way to make that point. Some one just sent me the opening Libor levels. Three month Libor set at 0.26219 versus 0.26656 yesterday. When the market was in distress last year that rate was gapping higher. If the current situation was even remotely similar, the Libor rate would not be lower today.

Finally, one can view other credit spreads and while there may be some incipient leakage wider, there is certainly nothing resembling the panic which enveloped the money markets last year.

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发表于 2009-11-20 11:41 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 hbw 于 2009-11-20 11:43 编辑
Dollar will be skyrocketing...

As expected...

刚刚看到你的回复,吓了一跳。美元会涨,但远远没有到来。个人意见大周期是3年6个月,2011年底至2012年初是转变的时候,那么现在是1/3处。
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发表于 2009-11-20 11:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
22# bigbadwolf

谢谢,需要好好阅读一番。
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发表于 2009-11-20 11:58 AM | 显示全部楼层
$DXY - DOLLAR INDEX (INDEX)   

Date        Open        High        Low        Last        Change        % Change
11/20/09        75.26        75.87        75.20        75.64        +0.26        +0.34%
11/19/09        75.25        75.55        75.08        75.38        +0.17        +0.23%

11/18/09        75.22        75.33        74.89        75.21        -0.07        -0.09%
11/17/09        74.95        75.62        74.78        75.28        +0.37        +0.49%
11/16/09        75.18        75.31        74.67        74.91        -0.42        -0.56%

-- Period --         -- High --         -- Low --         -- Percent Change --
5-Days         75.87        on 11/20/09        74.67         on 11/16/09         +0.97%        since 11/16/09
20-Days         76.81         on 11/03/09         74.67         on 11/16/09         -0.47%        since 10/26/09
65-Days         78.94         on 09/01/09         74.67         on 11/16/09         -3.31%        since 08/24/09
100-Days         80.89         on 07/08/09         74.67         on 11/16/09         -5.98%        since 07/06/09
260-Days         89.62         on 03/04/09         74.67         on 11/16/09         -12.13%        since 11/24/08
Year to Date         89.62         on 03/04/09         74.67         on 11/16/09         -7.56%        since 01/02/09
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发表于 2009-11-20 11:59 AM | 显示全部楼层
It is good time to buy some gold, oil and international assets
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发表于 2009-11-20 12:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
刚刚看到你的回复,吓了一跳。美元会涨,但远远没有到来。个人意见大周期是3年+6个月,2011年底至2012年初是转变的时候,那么现在是1/3处。
hbw 发表于 2009-11-20 11:41



In this sense, i guess that you are a one of those inflationists...

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-20 12:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
An interesting article from Tracy Alloway @FT Alphaville:

Duh duh duh!

The yield on some short-term Treasuries, T-bills, turned negative on Thursday. That means that investors are piling into Treasuries to such an extent that they’re now willing to effectively pay the government for the benefit of owning them. The last time we saw this happening was in 2008, in the depths of the financial crisis.

There are generally two ways to look at this: a portend of imminent financial doom or symptomatic of the wider changes in the banking industry.

The former is certainly the line being pursued by the excitable Zero Hedge blog:

The last time Bill yields turned negative (in essence investors paying the Government to hold their money for them) was in the days after the Lehman bankruptcy, when the entire world was about to blow up. So why did Bill yield for January maturity just turn negative once again? In other words, why are investors suddenly running for the hills? As Dow Jones reports, January and February bills hit a yield of -0.03% earlier. Some explanations have to do with Bill scarcity, as nobody wants to be exposed to anything beyond 3 months down the curve, let alone 1 year. However, the fact that bond investors may not be buying into the whole recovery BS (or just realize that there is nobody willing to roll near-dated treasurys into longer-tenor pieces of paper) and are once again running scared and willing to pay Ben Bernanke to hold their money for them should be very, very troubling. Additionally, could there be something more pressing and/or catalytic? We have not heard peep from any of the big banks in a while…  


While the FT is suggesting another explanation in its coverage on Friday morning:

Short-term US interest rates turned negative yesterday as banks frantically stockpiled government securities in order to polish their balance sheets for the end of the year . . .

The growing appetite for short-term government debt reflects an effort by banks to present pristine year-end balance sheets to regulators and investors - a practice known as “window dressing” on Wall Street, analysts said.


Window dressing or a herald of cataclysmic financial failure? There’s a pretty big difference between the two.

John Jansen, of bond market blog Across the Curve, has some more nuanced thoughts:

I do not speak to often of the T bill market but yields in that market continue to collapse. In one recent conversation a market participant  noted that bill yields are negative out to February. There are a couple of factors at work here. There is a massive wall of liquidity, a pile of cash which needs a home. That is driving yields lower.

Typically as the year end approaches clients tend to unwind profitable trades and reduce balance sheet. I think that some of that deleveraging process has created new piles of cash and that money needs a place to park.

Others are preparing to beautify their balance sheet by having some pristine government paper on the books over year end. Some of that trade has begun as investors purchase paper which will carry them into 2010.


The cash on the sidelines idea is also a notion also picked up by Bill Gross in his latest Investment Outlook:
The Fed is trying to reflate the U.S. economy. The process of reflation involves lowering short-term rates to such a painful level that investors are forced or enticed to term out their short-term cash into higher-risk bonds or stocks. Once your cash has recapitalized and revitalized corporate America and homeowners, well, then the Fed will start to be concerned about inflation - not until. To date that transition is incomplete, mainly because mortgage refinancing and the purchase of new homes is being thwarted by significant changes in down payment requirements. The Treasury as well, has a significant average life extension of its own debt to foist on investors before the Fed can raise short-term Fed Funds.


. . .
So come on you frustrated Will Rogers lookalikes. Join the wimp who pulled his money out of the bank just 14 months ago. Look at your monthly statement, zero in on that .01% yield and say to yourself, “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m just not going to take this anymore!” You can’t buy the Burlington Northern - Warren Buffett has scooped that up - and most other choices offer tempting returns, but potential bullets as well. Buy some utilities. It may not be as much fun as running a railroad, but at least you’ll know who to call if the lights go out .


Minus 0.03 per cent is of course, very different to 0.01 per cent — but the basic idea still stands.

Banks and money market funds may need to get into anything other than cash — and, as noted by the FT, the traditional window-dressing effect could be magnified this year by the fact that the major investment banks are now classified as bank holding companies — giving them a December 31 year-end. Supply issues (the Fed ended issuing T-bills as part of its Supplementary Financing Program in September 2009) may also be a factor.

FT Alphaville is of course, no stranger to fiscal doom and gloom (financial comet, anyone?) but the fact that the last time T-bill rates turned negative, in December 2008, did not turn out to portend a cataclysmic event, even if it was a symptom of some risk-aversion, suggests this is more of the same.

In fact, this is what some people were saying back in December 2008:
“It’s the year-end factor,” said Chris Ahrens, an interest-rate strategist in Greenwich, Connecticut, at UBS Securities LLC, one of the 17 primary dealers that trade directly with the Federal Reserve. “Everyone wants to be in bills going into year-end. Buy now while the opportunity is still there.”


Sound familiar?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-20 01:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
There is a record 200 billion T-bill auction coming up at the end of this month. From the past few months, those auctions were all preceded by stock market retreat to move some of the liquidity to bonds. I think this probably explains well the current movement of the market, bond and dollar. Not sure about the move after the auction yet. Maybe the black Friday will give us some clue.
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发表于 2009-11-20 07:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
就事认事,“T-Bill Yields Turn Negative”可能预示通涨将台头,美元将升,股
事也要升,但抗通涨股先升。
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发表于 2009-11-20 09:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
Dollar will be skyrocketing...

As expected...


X!nG 发表于 2009-11-20 07:39

那黄金就会掉下来了?
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发表于 2009-11-20 10:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
18# hbw  

Bond Market Open November 20 2009November 20th, 2009 7:15 am

Prices of Treasury coupon securities are registering, on balance, modest changes in overseas trading. The massive wall of ...
bigbadwolf 发表于 2009-11-20 11:25


Libor rate is still above the FED rate of 0.25%.

I think what happened to US T-Bills is only caused by domestic US investor's crowding behavior,  that's convert the cash on their balance sheet into some 30 to 60 days T-bills (which is non-cash item in the year end period), so that to beautify their balance sheet and cook the story of their ROI / ROA performance. A pile of cash on the balance sheet is too ugly.
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