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[转贴] Citi Said to Need Up to $10 Billion

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发表于 2009-5-1 07:24 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


WASHINGTON -- Citigroup Inc. may need to raise as much as $10 billion in new capital, according to people familiar with the matter, as the government continues negotiations with banks over the results of its so-called stress tests.

The bank, like many others, is negotiating with the Federal Reserve and may need less if regulators accept the bank's arguments about its financial health, these people said. In a best-case scenario, Citigroup could wind up having a roughly $500 million cushion above what the government is requiring.

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As regulators delay the release of bank stress-test results, experts wonder whether the exercise, meant to restore confidence in the banking system, will end up producing the opposite effect. Kelsey Hubbard reports for MarketWatch.
The discussions stem from the tests being run by the Fed and the Treasury to assess the health of the country's 19 largest banks. Those results will be released Thursday, later than initially planned.

The tests will predict each bank's potential losses in certain asset categories under dire economic scenarios. The government is expected to direct several banks, including Bank of America Corp., to bolster their capital by raising new funds or converting existing securities into common stock.

The government's strong preference is for banks in need of fresh capital to raise it either through private investors or selling assets, officials say. That won't be an option for certain weaker banks, who may have to give the government big stakes in their common equity to boost capital levels. Such a move would help fill banks' capital needs but would also raise thorny questions about how large a role the U.S. might play in their daily operations.

The Obama administration is expected soon to outline what type of investor it will be in companies where it has a stake, according to people familiar with the matter. The Treasury is discussing applying different levels of governance depending on the size of the U.S. government's stake. The overall goal is to get out of the investments as quickly as is possible and minimize government intervention in banks' operations.

The outcome of the stress tests could play a major role in shaping the next phase of the U.S. government's intervention in the nation's ravaged financial system. After the results, banks will have 30 days to give the government a plan and six months to put it into effect. The banks are expected to reveal their plans next week.

Concerned about investor and depositor panic, government officials have said banks needing more capital should not be viewed as being at risk of collapse. In fact, the government has said it would not allow any of the 19 banks undergoing the test to fail.


Some banks still might need to seek more money from the government.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., widely regarded as two of the nation's strongest banks, aren't expected to be required to boost capital, according to people familiar with the matter. It's not clear whether officials will permit the banks to immediately repay the government's existing investments in these banks.

The stress tests are a central part of the Obama administration's effort to restore confidence in the U.S. banking system. They have met resistance from top bank executives who complain the government's estimates are wrong and too theoretical.

The Fed has told bank executives it's looking at a measurement of capital called "tangible common equity," which essentially measures what shareholders would have left if a company were liquidated. Some bankers say the Fed wants them to hold TCE equivalent to at least 4% of their risk-weighted assets, under the stress-test scenarios.

Banks have been scrambling over the past week to refute the Fed's preliminary conclusions. Bankers say those negotiations are part of the reason the government has pushed back its announcement of the results.

"The gloves have been taken off, and there's some real battles going on right now," said Gerard Cassidy, a bank analyst with RBC Capital Markets.

Government officials originally hoped to release the results May 4. The plan now is to do so after U.S. stock markets close May 7. A smooth release is a critical component of the effort, as policy makers fear investors could punish banks that appear to have performed poorly.

"I would not read anything into the delay and results, except the notion that regulators and the administration want to get this right from the very beginning," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Citigroup announced Friday it was selling its Japanese brokerage business for about $7.9 billion, a deal that will boost the company's tangible common equity by about $2.5 billion. The New York-based company has argued the Fed should give Citigroup credit for the planned transaction, along with other pending sales, as it tabulates the company's capital levels.

Under an earlier government effort to stabilize Citigroup, which involved a conversion of preferred stock into common, the U.S. was going to end up with 36% of Citigroup's common stock. To raise new capital, Citigroup is likely to broaden the conversion to include preferred securities held by private investors. The end result will likely leave Washington holding about the same amount as previously envisioned.

Some banks are haggling with the Fed over how it calculated their projected 2009 and 2010 revenues -- a central factor in gauging banks' ability to absorb losses. Some have pushed the Fed to use their strong first-quarter performances as a baseline, even though many acknowledge their first-quarter results are likely unsustainable.

—Deborah Solomon contributed to this article.
发表于 2009-5-1 07:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
随便他们怎么说了,他们基本上是想怎么说,就怎么说。
未来某一天,C不幸BK了,说不定MM会以大涨来庆祝,呵呵!

Take it easy!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-1 07:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 vcvc 于 2009-5-1 20:29 编辑

熊弟们,开始趴体吧!!!!可惜俺的空仓卡我了!
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发表于 2009-5-1 08:02 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-5-1 09:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
That's worse case scenario. Depends on how the market read beyond headline.

"In a best-case scenario, Citigroup could wind up having a roughly $500 million cushion above what the government is requiring."
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发表于 2009-5-1 09:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
你这个头像看着像两个卵蛋蛋。。。。
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发表于 2009-5-1 10:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
Well, 现在就漏出来了, 万一C到时只需要9.999B, 肯定大涨。 This is called beat expectation!
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发表于 2009-5-1 10:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
10B ? That's good news.  U XXXXX
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发表于 2009-5-1 10:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,点解。

10B ? That's good news.  U XXXXX
jsl 发表于 2009-5-1 23:06
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发表于 2009-5-1 10:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
咣当



你这个头像看着像两个卵蛋蛋。。。。
Maxie 发表于 2009-5-1 22:51
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发表于 2009-5-1 11:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
Hard to say it is good news or not  because some analyists say it might need 20-30B more. depend on how MM explains
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-2 12:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
你这个头像看着像两个卵蛋蛋。。。。
Maxie 发表于 2009-5-1 22:51

胡说!!!!!明明是贝壳啊!美女!
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发表于 2009-5-2 04:31 AM | 显示全部楼层
还有点像骷髅的顶(鸟瞰)。


胡说!!!!!明明是贝壳啊!
vcvc 发表于 2009-5-2 01:39
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发表于 2009-5-2 04:32 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 izan 于 2009-5-2 05:33 编辑

Our Stock and Credit Spreads
• Our stock price is not an indication of our financial strength.
o Our pro forma tangible common book value would be $3.82/share assuming maximum preferred
conversion
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o The pending conversion is creating a large technical short in our stock that should be lifted once the
conversion is completed.
• We believe our credit spreads are disconnected from our condition and are inconsistent with the
government’s announcements regarding support for the financial system.
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发表于 2009-5-2 04:36 AM | 显示全部楼层
so, now only need 10 billion, should C continue convert 53 billion preferred stock?
If convert less , does this mean the stock under value too much?
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发表于 2009-5-3 12:33 PM | 显示全部楼层
注意几天前的新闻
Bank of America May Need $70 Billion, FBR Says (Update2)
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By David Mildenberg and Linda Shen

April 28 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp. needs $60 billion to $70 billion of capital, according to Freidman, Billings, Ramsey Group Inc. analyst Paul Miller, who cited stress tests performed by his firm.



Stress-Tested Banks May Struggle as Bad Assets Triple (Update4)
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By Elizabeth Hester and Linda Shen

April 24 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. banks that get preliminary results today of government stress tests may struggle to raise money after bad assets at the biggest lenders almost tripled on average in the past year.

Pittsburgh-based PNC Financial Services Group Inc. saw nonperforming assets -- those no longer accruing interest --jump more than fivefold in the first quarter from a year earlier. They more than quadrupled at U.S. Bancorp in Minneapolis. At 13 of the largest U.S. banks, bad assets increased 169 percent on average from a year ago, according to first-quarter data compiled by Bloomberg.

The tests on the 19 largest banks are likely to focus in part on loan quality as a measure of health. The lenders, which may need to raise $1 trillion in capital to cushion losses according to an April 23 KBW Inc. report, may have a hard time persuading investors to give them cash.

Sobering Numbers Ahead of Stress Test Results
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They pulled together year-end figures from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation for 13 banks undergoing stress tests, including Citigroup and Bank of America, and applied the assumed losses to the assets in question.

The result: A combined haircut of about $240 billion among the 13 banks — or about 56 percent of their reported Tier 1 capital as of Dec. 31.

从60 billion,240 billion, 1 trillion 到
周五盘后10billiion的消息?

周一很期待,金融板块肯定有大动作。
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