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[转贴] How history's most successful investors think about wild market swings

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How history's most successful investors think about wild market swings
Sam Ro
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Less than a month ago, the stock market plunged in chaotic fashion in the wake of the surprise Brexit vote. And to many folks’ surprise, the market quickly came back and then some.

When heightened economic uncertainty triggers volatility in the financial markets, it’s easy to think the worst is yet to come. In the stock market (^GSPC), the natural emotional response is to panic and sell before the selling gets worse, especially when the market is already near an all-time high.

Unfortunately, this instinct to sell is driven by behavioral biases that have been proven to consistently lose money for investors. In reality, markets tend to overreact to bad news. And it’s during these times that successful investors make money.

“Prices fluctuate more than values — so therein lies opportunity,” Gotham Capital’s Joel Greenblatt once said. “Why do the prices fluctuate so widely when values can’t possibly? I will tell you the answer I have come up with: The answer is I don’t know and I don’t care. We could waste a lot of time about psychology but it always happens and it continues to happen. I just want to take advantage of it.”

Greenblatt’s value-oriented strategy reportedly earned him an annualized return of 40% from 1985 to 2006.

This type of thinking is very much applicable to investors in the broad indexes.

In its new quarterly guide to the markets, JPMorgan Asset Management shared a couple of interesting charts putting big market sell-offs into context.

This first one shows the largest market drops from peak to trough in any given year since 1980. The average drop is 14.2% during a period when annual returns ended up being positive in 27 of 36 years.


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Big drops are a normal part of investing in the stock market. (Image: JPM Funds)


This next chart annotates the S&P 500 in the current bull market. As you can see, there have been numerous times when the selling got scary. But the market managed to come back.


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Check out some of the major pullbacks in the current bull market. (Image: JPM Funds)


Another legendary investor who thought like Greenblatt was Peter Lynch, the long-time manager of Fidelity’s Magellan Fund.

“A price drop in a good stock is only a tragedy if you sell at that price and never buy more,” Lynch once said via CLSA’s Damian Kestel. “To me, a price drop is an opportunity to load up on bargains from among your worst performers and your laggards that show promise. If you can’t convince yourself ‘When I’m down 25%, I’m a buyer’ and banish forever the fatal thought ‘When I’m down 25%, I’m a seller,’ then you’ll never make a decent profit in stocks.”

In a video tweeted by Charlie Munger watcher Tren Griffin, Munger effectively saw Lynch’s 25% and raised the stakes to 50%.

“If you’re not willing to react with equanimity to a market price decline of 50% two or three times a century, you’re not fit to be a common shareholder and you deserve the mediocre results you’re going to get,” Munger said.

Speaking of centuries, this next chart goes all the way back to 1900. As you can see, there were many events that seemed hopeless.  And yet in the long-run, they all proved to be buying opportunities.


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The stock market has bounced back from some very scary events. (Image: JPM Funds)
“In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president,” Warren Buffett noted in a 2008 NY Times op-ed. “Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.”


Sam Ro is managing editor at Yahoo Finance.

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-7-11 11:29 AM | 显示全部楼层
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历史上最成功的投资者是如何看待野生市场波动

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不到一个月前,股市在纷乱的方式暴跌的惊喜Brexit投票之后。和很多人吃惊的是,迅速在市场上回来,然后一些。

当加剧经济的不确定性引发动荡的金融市场,很容易认为最糟糕的还在后头。在股市(^ GSPC),自然的情绪反应是恐慌和销售的销售变得更糟糕之前,尤其是当市场已经接近了历史高位。

不幸的是,这种本能卖是由已被证明持续亏钱的投资者行为偏差来驱动。在现实中,市场往往反应过度坏消息。它在这些时候,成功的投资者赚钱的。

“价格波动比值的更多 - 让潜藏的机会,”哥谭资本的乔尔·格林布拉特曾说。 “为什么价格波动如此广泛,当值没可能?我会告诉你答案我想出了:答案是,我不知道,我不在乎。我们可能会浪费了很多关于心理学的时间,但它总是发生并继续发生。我只是想利用它。“

据报道,格林布拉特的价值导向的策略赢得了他的40%,1985年至2006年的年化回报率。

这种想法是非常适用于投资者在大盘指数。

在其新的季度指导,以市场,摩根富林明资产管理共享一对夫妇有趣的图表把大市场抛售的来龙去脉的。

这第一个显示的最大市场从峰值下降在任何一年到谷底自1980年以来在一段时年收益率结束了在36 27年为正,平均降14.2%。


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大滴在股市投资的一个正常部分。 (图片提供:JPM基金)
 

这下图诠释在目前牛市的标准普尔500指数。正如你可以看到,已经有不少时候卖出了吓人。但市场设法回来。


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看看一些主要的回调在目前的牛市。 (图片提供:JPM基金)
 

另一种传说中的投资者谁想到像布拉特是彼得·林奇,富达麦哲伦基金的长期管理。

“在一个良好的股票价格下跌仅仅是一个悲剧,如果你在这个价格卖出,决不多买,”林奇曾经通过里昂证券的达米安凯斯泰尔说。 “对我来说,降价是从你的表现最差,你的落伍者,显示诺言之间的讨价还价加载的机会。如果你无法说服自己“当我下降了25%,我是一个买方和放逐永远致命的思想”当我下降了25%,我是卖家“,那么你将永远不会做一个像样的利润的股票“。

在由查理·芒格观察家特伦格里芬啾啾视频,芒格有效地看到证券公司的25%,加大了赌注为50%。

“如果你不是愿意平静地应对50%的市场价格下跌以来两三次,你不适合当一个共同的股东,你活该,你会得到的成绩平平,”芒格说。

说起百年来,这下图去所有的方式回到1900年。正如你所看到的,有这似乎无望的许多事件。然而从长远来看,他们都被证明是买入机会。


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股市有一些非常可怕的事件反弹。 (图片提供:JPM基金)
“在20世纪,美国经历了两次世界大战和其他创伤和昂贵的军事冲突;大萧条;十几经济衰退和金融恐慌;石油冲击;一个流感疫情;而蒙羞总统下台,“巴菲特在2008年的纽约时报专栏文章中指出。 “然而,道琼斯指数从66上升到11497。”

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多谢长线图,正准备好好研究一下。

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本论坛swing, dt的多吧,hold股票超过3年的有吗

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-7-11 04:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
Hutong9999 发表于 2016-7-11 04:29 PM
本论坛swing, dt的多吧,hold股票超过3年的有吗

这里卧虎藏龙,很多大牛的。
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Charles Thomas Munger (born January 1, 1924) is an American businessman, lawyer, investor, and philanthropist. He is vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, the conglomerate controlled by Warren Buffett; in this capacity, Buffett describes Charlie Munger as “my partner." Munger served as chairman of Wesco Financial Corporation from 1984 through 2011 (Wesco was approximately 80% owned by Berkshire Hathaway during that time). He is also the chairman of the Daily Journal Corporation, based in Los Angeles, California, and a director of Costco Wholesale Corporation.

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wsjboy 发表于 2016-7-11 05:18 PM
Charles Thomas Munger (born January 1, 1924) is an American businessman, lawyer, investor, and phila ...

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