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欧盟考虑希腊退出欧元区的可能

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发表于 2012-5-13 12:05 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


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  欧盟成员国央行行长一改力挺希腊留在欧元区的立场,开始公开讨论希腊退出欧元区的可能。
  周六(5月12日),希腊三大党派的组阁失败,陡然增加希腊退出欧元区的可能。
  德国央行行长魏德曼周六说,决定权在希腊,如果他们不能恪守经济援助方案的承诺,就不能得到新的援助。
  普遍认为,如果希腊不能得到新的援助资金,将面临破产。
  爱尔兰央行行长霍诺汉表示,退出欧元区是相关法律没有预见的,但并不意味着不会发生。
  霍诺汉说,希腊退出欧元区的后果从技术层面讲可以予以控制。
  “这会打击整个欧元区的信心,事情会变得更复杂,但不是致命的。”
  瑞典央行副行长简森周五表示,欧洲各央行行长们开始讨论希腊退出欧元区的可能,并考虑应对措施。
  欧盟经济和货币事务专员雷恩说,与两年前相比,欧洲现在抗击打能力更强了,退出欧元区,对希腊的打击更大。

希腊内政
  在上周日举行的希腊议会选举中,反对经济紧缩计划的左翼党派Syriza出人意料地获得超过16%的选票,在300人议会中占得52席,一跃成为第二大党。
  周六,泛希腊社会主义运动领导人韦尼泽洛斯表示组阁失败。至此,获组阁权的三个政党的组阁努力均以失败告终。
  希腊总统帕普利亚斯将于周日与三大党领导人举行磋商,就组阁做最后努力。
  倘若失败,将于下月再次举行选举。普遍预计,再次选举,Syriza将会胜出。
  该党37岁的领导人齐普拉斯说,他将废除经济紧缩计划,并表示“不是Syriza反对这一计划,而是希腊人民”。
  调查显示,3/5的希腊人反对紧缩计划,但同时有4/5的希腊人表示愿意留在欧元区。
发表于 2012-5-13 01:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
"3/5的希腊人反对紧缩计划,但同时有4/5的希腊人表示愿意留在欧元区"

What a PIG!

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发表于 2012-5-13 05:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
dsp 发表于 2012-5-13 10:12
"3/5的希腊人反对紧缩计划,但同时有4/5的希腊人表示愿意留在欧元区"

What a PIG!

希腊人的意思就是欧元区养着我.. 还要舒舒服服地..
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发表于 2012-5-13 05:09 PM | 显示全部楼层

欧洲人遇着牛二了,搬一张来看看他们到底会不会动刀子割。
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发表于 2012-5-13 06:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Read0nly 于 2012-5-13 19:45 编辑

默克尔连任也有问题。法国变了,德国跟着变了,欧洲的变数很多,总体的不确定性在增加。

关于JPM的伦敦鲸的大错,以俺的外行眼看的理解,JPM是在卖保险赌经济复苏,年初的头几个月的得手强化了这种信念。没想到接下来几个月实际情形有变,本该收手控制损失,反而变本加厉的加大寸头想挽回对赌的劣势,结果没人接手,越陷越深。现在三名高官走人也于事无补。这一事件的背后反映的是JPM高层对经济大环境的误判,否则不会简单地shrug off 早期的错误信号。这种误判,要么是JPM真的相信美国经济是在复苏,要么是为经济环境恶化所迫而铤而走险。事件的曝光只暗示一件事,经济复苏无望。
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发表于 2012-5-13 11:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
Read0nly 发表于 2012-5-13 17:42
默克尔连任也有问题。法国变了,德国跟着变了,欧洲的变数很多,总体的不确定性在增加。

关于JPM的伦敦鲸 ...

http://www.hutong9.net/home.php? ... o=blog&id=39762

你理解错了,而且因为立场而错。
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发表于 2012-5-14 12:38 AM | 显示全部楼层
ctcld 发表于 2012-5-14 00:07
http://www.hutong9.net/home.php?mod=space&uid=7162&do=blog&id=39762

你理解错了,而且因为立场而错 ...

老大的中文版的解释俺前几日看过了。另外看到下面的英文部分是来自DQ的。俺没理解错的话,这回主要是JPM独家在卖IG9,赌的是IG9指数成分股没有破产的风险,指数才会走平,让JPM白赚保险金。结果是卖大发了,风险比预期的大,又脱不了身,窟窿就出来了。这种操作策略当然脱离不了JPM对大环境经济形势的预判,没有这个预判,风险是难以预估的。不知老大说俺的理解错误更具体指的是什么,请赐教。谢!

Among the hedge funds that began taking positions against JPMorgan were Blue Mountain, a New York fund; Lucidus Capital Partners, a London fund; Hutchin Hill, a New York fund; and Bluecrest, a giant London hedge fund founded by two former traders on JPMorgan’s proprietary trading desk.

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Last summer the chief investment office began calling brokers at several Wall Street banks, the brokers say. The office was offering to sell insurance on an index of big American corporations like General Mills, Alcoa and McDonald’s — known as CDX IG Series 9. If the companies in the index went bankrupt, JPMorgan would have to pay out, but if the companies continued to do well JPMorgan could rake in the fees from financial firms that bought the insurance.

The strategy initially made money for JPMorgan and its position began to grow, as did an appetite for it among a tight-knit segment of hedge funds focused on credit opportunities. The large scale of the trade was permitted as a result of an expansion in the limits placed on the size and the scope of securities the unit could trade in that were adopted after JPMorgan acquired Washington Mutual in the financial crisis. Those limits have now been scaled back.

By January, these hedge funds were getting calls nearly every day from brokers representing the chief investment office, according to hedge fund managers and brokers on the calls.

The seller’s identity was not supposed to be known, but the sheer volume of the trade made it hard to hide, and soon enough all fingers in the “small, clubby world” of credit hedge funds pointed to Mr. Iksil’s desk at JPMorgan, according to one fund manager.

“A bunch of us started looking at it and talking about it a lot,” the manager said. “There was agreement that Bruno was selling.”

There were two ways that JPMorgan could win this bet. If the companies in the index did well, the bank’s cost of insuring the index would continue to fall. JPMorgan could also artificially drive the price lower by continuing to issue more and more insurance — a distinct possibility thanks to JPMorgan’s size and stature.

In January and February, as the price of the insurance continued to drop, lunch meetings and casual conversations between hedge fund managers swirled around the ability of JPMorgan to continue financing this bet.

“A lot of people told me it was a foolish trade,” said an official with a hedge fund that bet against JPMorgan. “The naysayers on this trade said, ‘Look, this guy has unlimited firepower, he can just keep selling and selling and make your life miserable.’ ”

Among the hedge funds that began taking positions against JPMorgan were Blue Mountain, a New York fund; Lucidus Capital Partners, a London fund; Hutchin Hill, a New York fund; and Bluecrest, a giant London hedge fund founded by two former traders on JPMorgan’s proprietary trading desk.

The trade did not at first make money for the hedge funds. In the improving economy early in the year, the hedge funds had to make regular insurance payments. But in late March, doubts about the economy began to swirl, and the index jumped.

JPMorgan began seeing losses by the end of the first quarter, on March 31, but they were not enormous, allowing bank executives to shrug off the early criticisms of the trade. But the trade drew increasing attention as the index continued to spike, multiplying JPMorgan’s potential losses if it had to pay out on the insurance.

Soon United States and British regulators were talking daily with bank executives. (The New York Fed has been following the chief investment office practically since its inception, as part of its regular supervision of the firm.)

The Securities and Exchange Commission investigation is at an early stage. No one at JPMorgan has been accused of any wrongdoing.

An important avenue for the S.E.C. investigation, people briefed on the matter said, is the firm’s accounting methods relating to the trades. Investigators could take a close look at how the bank reported risk for the chief investment office and whether changes it made to that measure were adequately disclosed.

In the first quarter, JPMorgan changed its risk measurement to one it felt was more in line with recent regulatory changes involving capital requirements. Yet the bank had issues with the model, and Mr. Dimon said on Thursday that it was later deemed “inadequate.”

JPMorgan, said a person briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak on the record, did not need regulatory approval to change its risk model, but eventually would have to. Other firms said they tended to work in concert with regulators when altering this model.

The change clearly masked the risk of the trades now under the microscope. Mr. Dimon disclosed that the daily value at risk for the trading unit had almost doubled, from an average of $67 million for the first quarter, to $129 million, after the bank scrapped the new model and revised the figures.

One senior Wall Street executive speculated the change might have assigned a lower risk weighting to big trades, allowing the bank to take more risk than it should have in recent months.

In the case of the trade that generated the huge loss, the insurance on the contract does not come due until 2017, so JPMorgan could potentially hold off any actual losses until then. If the economy improves, the cost of insuring American companies could drop again. But now that the London Whale’s trade is public, hedge funds could force the cost of this specific insurance contract up, and with it JPMorgan’s paper losses. This is what appears to be happening now.

On Friday, the insurance index spiked sharply, bringing it up 32 percent from its low in March.

“There are no buyers or sellers in the market right now. Because of that, it is impossible for JPMorgan to get out of this trade,” said Gennaro Pucci, who oversees the PVE Macro Credit Fund in London. “These positions, which made sense for them to put on, just become impossible to manage when liquidity dries up.”

A senior Wall Street executive said on Friday: “JPMorgan violated the cardinal rule of risk: Don’t become the market.”

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IG9的OT本身没错。  发表于 2012-5-14 08:47 AM
这不是赌大赌小的错误,也不是看牛看熊的错误。错在反操作本身CIO自说自划。  发表于 2012-5-14 08:40 AM
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Read0nly 发表于 2012-5-13 21:38 老大的中文版的解释俺前几日看过了。另外看到下面的英文部分是来自DQ的。俺没理解错的话,这回主要是JPM独 ...

牛牛在困难中的一丝曙光: 伦敦鲸事件曝光意味着


记住, 唱好或拯救美国经济也是符合奥巴马,本南克的想法和利益的,他们很可能也会出来助这些大银行一臂之力的。。。  

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是啊,JPM是领头羊,当然得救,只是怎么个救法。  发表于 2012-5-14 10:27 PM
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发表于 2012-5-14 02:35 AM | 显示全部楼层
让德国纳税人出钱救希腊,不是最好的解决办法。
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发表于 2012-5-14 11:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
Read0nly 发表于 2012-5-13 23:38
老大的中文版的解释俺前几日看过了。另外看到下面的英文部分是来自DQ的。俺没理解错的话,这回主要是JPM独 ...

摩根大通的巨额损失提供了惨痛的教训:很难限制或规定何种交易能缓和一家资产高达2.3万亿美元银行的风险。
农业信贷证券(Credit Agricole Securities)银行分析师梅约(Mike Mayo)说,“如果说这种问题可以发生在风险控制比较好的摩根大通,它也会发生在花旗集团和美国银行。”

过去两年来,多数重要银行都关闭了专营交易部,后者从事从市场方向到房屋的各种投机性押注。

很多银行都是在今年7月沃尔克规则(Volcker Rule)生效之前采取的先发制人步骤,因为沃尔克规则限制银行从事那些经营。摩根大通执行长戴蒙(Jamie Dimon)是新规则的严厉批评者。

但是摩根大通下了一笔很大的坏赌注,那一交易本来是要防止风险的,却没有违背沃尔克规则。  这是不是JPM 在找沃尔克规则的反例?在这个时候宣布PAPER LOSS,有点别有用心

麻省理工金融教授安德鲁·罗(Andrew Lo)说,什么叫对冲或什么叫赌注?很多情况下,两者之间有非常灰色的地带。

摩根大通的巨额损失是它在伦敦的主要投资办公室所进行的交易,而后者实质上是要帮助摩根大通在任何不利条件下都避免巨额亏损。
  这里很明确,他们没按游戏规则玩
最近几年,戴蒙建立了中央风险办公室,收购了专营交易部和对冲基金,给予那些部门大量资金用于交易。

摩根大通所使用的工具就像摧毁AIG的一样:信用违约交换--实质上是投资者为规避违约风险而购买的保险合同。

今年以来,摩根大通交易者对投资级公司的指数投入大量赌注,许多赌注都很复杂,都是高杠杆。

对冲基金和其他交易商关注到摩根大通的赌注之后,他们联手对付摩根大通,往相反方向下赌注。

一家竞争机构交易部的消息来源说,人们一旦看到某个大仓位正在溺水,就像鲨鱼看到鲜血一样行动起来。 这个很现实,明处和暗处

摩根大通那个外号叫“伦敦鲸”的交易员难以消化超大规模仓位,导致上个星期的披露。

CNNMoney说,这并非近年来摩根大通首次豪赌。塔瓦科利结构金融(Tavakoli Structured Finance)总裁塔瓦科利(Janet Tavakoli)说,有时摩根大通在商品、货币和信用衍生品上下大赌注。这看起来好像是该银行的专营交易部,而不是为银行对冲风险。

悲惨的是,任何一家银行的这类赌注规模细节都很少见,因为衍生工具没有出现在平衡表上。这些证券异常复杂,现有的会计框架无法显示它们。


综上:是老千失手。
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发表于 2012-5-14 10:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
ctcld 发表于 2012-5-14 12:17
摩根大通的巨额损失提供了惨痛的教训:很难限制或规定何种交易能缓和一家资产高达2.3万亿美元银行的风险。 ...

多谢学游的转帖。文首的这句话,“如果说这种问题可以发生在风险控制比较好的摩根大通,它也会发生在花旗集团和美国银行” 俺很赞同。JPM和WFC的常规业务比GS和MS强很多,在金融危机中又没有遭受C和BAC那样的重创,可是还是要玩这种铤而走险的投机游戏,可见其他几家即便暂时没有暴露出问题,潜在的风险不会比JPM暴露出的小。JPM的事还没完,看后续怎么发展吧。弄不好暗中咬住JPM的还有GS。
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