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[转贴] Warning - 美国CDS(倒债保险)大涨!

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-25 10:58 PM | 显示全部楼层


bbsid 发表于 2011-5-25 18:50
那么利率呢, 如果股市跌, 利率也跌? 谢谢队长!

看希腊就好了。

美国default的可能性微乎其微, 不过CDS如果继续大涨的话, 美国的credit rating会受影响, 公债的yield会涨, 会对股市和美元有影响。 利息涨不涨看Benanke加不加息
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发表于 2011-5-25 11:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
坏消息一个接一个哈。。。
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ypm968 发表于 2011-5-25 23:58
看希腊就好了。

美国default的可能性微乎其微, 不过CDS如果继续大涨的话, 美国的credit rating会受 ...

也就是可以假设有一种可能,股市暂时不能下跌了?
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发表于 2011-5-25 11:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
如果那些多印的美元换印成购物券,粮票,布票,油票,手机票,汽车票,房票......按户发,到指定的超市领取.商品有流通有需求,经济是否同样会好起来呢?
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发表于 2011-5-25 11:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
ideall 发表于 2011-5-26 00:23
如果那些多印的美元换印成购物券,粮票,布票,油票,手机票,汽车票,房票......按户发,到指定的超市领取.商品有 ...

A different type of paper money?
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发表于 2011-5-25 11:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
ypm968 发表于 2011-5-25 23:53
It's all about US credit rating.

The possibility of US debt default is very very small.

队长,我就随便说说啊。见笑了。

1) There is difference between sovereign debt and corporate debt. Theoretically, no country would default on its own-currency-denominated debt, because it can simply run the press machine to print more paper money. This is why most eventful sovereign defaults (such as Mexico's default in 1994 and Argentinian's default in 2002) are on foreign-currency-denominated debt. Sure,  wired thing can happen. Russian shocked the entire world when it defaulted on Ruble-denominated debt and kept paying for the foreign currency (e.g. USD) denominated debt.

If US would default this time, it is not because it can't print more $$ to pay the debt, it is because of political gestures by the politicians. As you agreed, the chance is very small.

2) Normally, when a sovereign CDS increases, its bond yield would increase along. This is not happening on US treasuries. cash market is much deeper than the tiny CDS market on UST. This is why I think the widening of UST CDS is mostly because of  speculations. This is similar to the case when the stock price of a bankrupted company is not trading at zero, it is not because there is any residual value in the equity but because of speculation.

3) regarding to who is willing to continue to lend to US government. Good question. Export-oriented countries running a big trading surplus against US, especially those in east Asia, will continue to do so because they have no other choice but to buy US assets so to keep its own currency artificially cheap. Sure this situation can change, if, as XingXing implied before,  these countries start increasing their export to other regions such as EU. But, it will be a very long time before such gradual changes have real impact on financial markets.

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-5-26 09:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
lite1067 发表于 2011-5-25 20:59
队长,我就随便说说啊。见笑了。

1) There is difference between sovereign debt and corporate debt ...


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发表于 2011-5-26 11:12 AM | 显示全部楼层
这是个好的,相当准确的,精确的熊市predictor.
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发表于 2011-5-27 01:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
A good thread.
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发表于 2011-5-27 02:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
Thanks!
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发表于 2011-5-28 08:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
ypm968 发表于 2011-5-25 16:39
CHART OF THE DAY: Have You Seen The Spike In US CDS?
Joe Weisenthal         | May 25, 2011, 12:16 PM | 1,2 ...

这个是因为国会对提高国债上限没有确定,所以给speculation提供了想象的空间
花街估计要借口来折腾一下股市了,不撒泼打滚,怎么施压大笨进行QE3呢

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发表于 2011-6-1 09:49 AM | 显示全部楼层
ypm968 发表于 2011-5-25 16:55
打个比方, 我借你100块钱,怕你还不起,又花了10块钱找了个第三方给你做担保, 那10块钱就是CDS - 倒债保 ...

队长,真还不起的时候,倒债保险不是要配钱吗?经济不行了,还不起就多了,怎么还涨了能?
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发表于 2011-6-1 10:23 AM | 显示全部楼层
thanks
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