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那个星星啥的最近还是不要炒股了!!!

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发表于 2011-11-26 12:49 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


忠言逆耳,你不一定能接受,但是这一年多你错的太离谱了并且老自以为是,害了你的好多粉丝,过去一年多看多A股的人绝大多数都是脑子进水太相信政府太相信钢需了。

中国的股市是迟早要崩大盘的,1000点绝对不是遥遥不客气的, 这个观点我不是现在才说,我在去年4月份的文章就亮出这种观点,到现在依然坚持。如果中国这10万亿推出来的话只回把时间往后顺延,但是真推出来的话那么最后崩盘就不是1000点能抗住的,500点时肯定要去的了, 到最后人民币兑美金就不是现在的6兑1了,20兑1都扛不住。





发表于 2011-11-26 01:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-11-26 01:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
不要一反星,就来气。他的口袋太深,象麻袋,咱小散跟不起!
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发表于 2011-11-26 02:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
清风两袖 发表于 2011-11-26 12:49
忠言逆耳,你不一定能接受,但是这一年多你错的太离谱了并且老自以为是,害了你的好多粉丝,过去一年多看多 ...

这个跟中国崩溃论是一个论调啊,甭管中国能发展成什么样,终归是要崩溃?
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发表于 2011-11-26 03:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-11-26 04:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
星大周四不是说过彻底投降了吗,欧元多头全都砍仓自裁了,既然认输了,从新来过大家就不要再批判了。
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发表于 2011-11-26 05:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
Where have the xing apologists gone?
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发表于 2011-11-26 05:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 google 于 2011-11-26 18:16 编辑
清风两袖 发表于 2011-11-26 13:49
忠言逆耳,你不一定能接受,但是这一年多你错的太离谱了并且老自以为是,害了你的好多粉丝,过去一年多看多 ...


A股崩盘能不能给个time frame,一百年也行?

你的表现跟星星不过是光谱的两端,不同的是他已经认错
不要跟市场较劲,没人能预测市场,有也是瞎懵的
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发表于 2011-11-26 06:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
百家争鸣嘛!话又说回来,如果星星真的是大反指,你跟着做反数钱不就行了吗?
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发表于 2011-11-26 07:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
你是对的 从4月份到现在都是

向你学习 向你致敬

另外 回复其他同学关于“口袋”的问题 我没啥深浅 庸人一个 我只是分享了我的看法

祝大家感恩节快乐

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发表于 2011-11-26 08:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
唉,光明磊落的高人。只知道恶语伤人的,一般能到半瓶醋就不错了
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-11-26 09:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
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星大,没有贬低怒骂你的意思,胡同我不常来,你近期的帖子我也没怎么看,印象中你对A股错的离谱但一直坚持己见,这种心路历程炒股时间长的人谁都经历过,最好的办法窃以为就是好好休息一下,也许以前一直让你赚钱的很多思路现在都不灵了,所以你需要静下来休整一下,没有任何砸场子的意思。祝妞们熊们节假日开心。


股市就是这样,如果一直错的话最好的办法就是好好休息一段时间,理清思路从头再来。

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发表于 2011-11-26 09:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-11-26 09:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
对和错自有市场来做公正的评判.
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发表于 2011-11-26 09:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
quantfin6 发表于 2011-11-26 20:09
这个跟中国崩溃论是一个论调啊,甭管中国能发展成什么样,终归是要崩溃?

除了GDP大学生数量,中国还有那样在发展?
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发表于 2011-11-26 09:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
中国崩盘?如是,怕全世界的股市已经没的可崩了。
人民币是农民工的血汗,美元除了油墨就是霸权与贪婪。
想壮大中国崩盘说,下边倒是一篇很好的文章,拿去,拿去。

The Japan-China Parallel: Is the Hot Money Already Running from China?

by Jack Crooks
Saturday, November 26, 2011 at 7:30am


"If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading." — Lao Tzu

Most everyone thinks they know where China is headed — that is, toward world domination thanks to having the most-vibrant large economy in the world.

Of course, whenever we project from the recent past, we usually end up disappointed. And for many, their expectations for China will be no exception.

There are many obstacles along the way before China rules the economic world, and one of them is what we have dubbed "The Japanese Parallel." This would be a game-changer, one with major implications for all global asset markets, especially currencies.

The credit crunch that happened circa 2008 took a big bite out of the U.S. consumer and has drained a lot of dollar credit out of the global system. In the aftermath, the Chinese government stepped up in a big way — replacing U.S. consumer demand with direct stimulus, to the tune of approximately half the size of the country's GDP, in an effort to keep the music playing.

The song should be a familiar one because, interestingly, we saw a similar scenario play out before in the global economy. China's future is on a seemingly eerie parallel with Japan's global macroeconomic history.

The Parallel in Play

During the 1980s, it appeared Japan — as the "Creditor Superpower" — was going to gobble up the world with its powerful export machine and massive current account surpluses rolling in.

Then a little thing called the U.S. stock market crash in 1987 changed the game.

Dollar credit flowed from the global system, triggering an improvement in the U.S. current account balance (see the top-left gold box in the chart below) that was followed by a U.S. recession. This came as the Japanese yen was appreciating in value, thanks to the G-7 Plaza Accord to pressure the yen higher because of all those Japanese exports.


Source: Black Swan Capital

Here's a brief history on what happened to Japan:

Japan's very hot stock market broke in 1989.

Then its extremely overpriced real-estate bubble started its collapse. (Remember when the Imperial Palace in Tokyo was worth more than the entire state of California?)

Japanese authorities did all they could in the form of stimulus to try to keep air in the bubble. They ...

Pumped more money into the stock and property markets in order to revive the wealth effect for domestic consumers.

Subsidized export companies to keep exports flowing (but the world's major consumer — the U.S. economy — was entering recession and therefore wasn't there to buy).

Lowered interest rates to zero.

Continued massive fiscal stimulus by building infrastructure across the country.
But, it didn't work.

The massive dislocations were caused by the artificial channeling of credit within the Japanese economy in order to focus almost entirely on building a global export machine.

In turn, these dislocations created the malinvestment that has taken years to work off, precisely because the Japanese economy was so imbalanced when it came to production versus consumption.

Attempts to change this model were scant at best; instead, they kept morbid companies alive and forced consumers to save money, thanks to artificially low interest rates.

7 Reasons Why the China Story
Might Not Have a Happy Ending

Fast-forward to China today ... and you can witness the parallels ...

Instead of the U.S. stock market crash being the triggering event, we have the credit crunch in its place — arguably a much-bigger and more-powerful global event.

Secondly, global leverage — i.e., debt in the system — was massively larger in 2007 than it was in 1987. (In other words, the world was hooked on massive dollar-based credit spewed out by the trillions of dollars in derivatives production.)

Mr. U.S. consumer has pulled in his horns much more quickly and to a greater degree than he did back in 1987. This takes much more global demand for goods out of the market — demand that China was and still is so highly addicted to.

And interestingly, now we also have the Chinese currency starting to rise in value, albeit at a much-slower pace than the Japanese yen did in the 1980s.

So what has China done to overcome this sea change in the global economy that's evidenced by the improvement in the U.S. current account? The country has done many of the same things Japan has done, and we are seeing a replay of events to a degree.

Here's where those parallels really come into play:

1) China's very hot stock market topped out in October 2007 and is now 59 percent off its old high. (That is a major drag on the so-called "wealth effect.") The Chinese government owns or controls most of the stocks on its exchange and, yet, it has been unable to keep them pumped up.

2) China's real estate prices have started falling and the "bubbly conditions" are becoming quite apparent to all. But now, with tightening credit in China, the bubble is in jeopardy. As a recent Financial Times article reported:

"The number of property transactions in China's largest cities has fallen to dangerously low levels, according to regulatory documents obtained by the Financial Times.

"According to the documents, the China Banking Regulatory Commission earlier this year ordered domestic banks to weigh the impact of a 30% decline in housing transactions in 'stress tests' aimed at determining the health of the Chinese financial system."

3) China's real estate market, especially on the commercial side, is extremely overbuilt. A massive amount of speculative credit has poured in that could come rushing out; already there are signs that the hot money is running from China.

Interesting point here: Despite Western pressure on China's currency policy, country leaders have made it clear there will not be any type of one-time ramp-up revaluations; this adds to the momentum of hot money (that had poured into China) to leave.

Part of that hot money was specifically positioned in real assets to benefit from such a large one-off revaluation.

4) The country pumped more money into the stock and property markets in order to revive the wealth effect for domestic consumers. It hasn't worked, just as it didn't in Japan.

And just as Japan found out, there is no fallback to local demand if international demand disappears for their exports. This is already in play.

5) They subsidized export companies to keep exports flowing. (But the world's major consumer is taking the goods to the degree that it did before the credit crunch.)

China has managed to push some of the pain of domestic adjustment off its trade partners thus far. But if the U.S. consumer does not materialize, trade frictions will grow for China — not just in the West, but also from its Asian-bloc competitors. This is already in play as well.

6) China's interest rates are not at zero, but they are extremely low for a country supposedly growing as fast as it has. This low interest rate policy is similar to what Japan did. This leads to forced savings and smothers local consumer demand at a time when domestic consumption is most needed.

7) They continued massive fiscal stimulus by building infrastructure across the country. China's infrastructure development is legendary. It has led to extreme overcapacity across many sectors.

If global demand is not there to take the final goods all this capacity can produce, then much of that capital will be wasted (i.e., malinvestment). This is what happens when a government determines investment policy instead of letting the market do its job.

Officially, China sports quite a low debt-to-GDP ratio. But if you consider that Chinese banks are effectively government conduits, some have estimated debt-to-GDP in China is somewhere between 70 percent and 80 percent.

Could China Get Hit
Harder Than Japan?

The credit crunch is the market's way of starting to rebalance a very imbalanced global world that has at the heart of it:

A flawed world reserve currency system;

Inordinate demand and depth of capital markets concentrated in one place (i.e., the United States); and

A beggar-thy-neighbor — by which the country attempts to help itself by using measures that negatively impact other countries — export policy (Asia), leading to massively suppressed relative currency values.
This potential global macro replay shows that policymakers have either learned little, or are unwilling to do the heavy lifting, when it comes to real global monetary reform.

If the Chinese economy plays out like Japan's did when its credit bubble burst, the implications for the global economy would be dire, as we are still in the midst of massive private deleveraging. This is already overwhelming the public debt being poured into the system, and it has created the nasty byproduct of shaky sovereign credits across all Western nations.

So, we continue to watch as China ticks off the historical markets that crushed Japan's growth and economic leadership. And we hope that the part about history repeating in another form is wrong. Otherwise, it could be even uglier this time around.

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发表于 2011-11-26 09:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
google 发表于 2011-11-26 17:14
A股崩盘能不能给个time frame,一百年也行?

你的表现跟星星不过是光谱的两端,不同的是他已经认错

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发表于 2011-11-26 09:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
X!nG 发表于 2011-11-26 19:28
你是对的 从4月份到现在都是

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-11-26 10:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
google 发表于 2011-11-26 17:14
A股崩盘能不能给个time frame,一百年也行?

你的表现跟星星不过是光谱的两端,不同的是他已经认错

很明显你看贴不仔细,因为我对A股的崩盘给了自己的Time Frame。 当然预测本身就是个屁,对一次根本不NB,错一次也不丢人。还有从你的回复来看你根本没明白我发贴的本意。你的回帖内容本身没错,但放在这里文不对题。

好了,这算我就这个主题的最后一贴,其实不管在这里,在MITBBS还有在168我的本意都是劝大家无论如何都千万不要去抄A股的底。当然每个人的市场看法不一样,我只是尽一份心意罢了!




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发表于 2011-11-26 10:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
敢于分析市场并给出观点,比大多数人强。能认错,更值得学习。人不知而不愠,应该致敬。
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